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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:35 PM
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Maybe Eisenhower was right after all...
Edited on Wed May-25-11 12:38 PM by Flubadubya
or at least close enough to it that we can take heart. I'm thinking of the statement attributed to President Eisenhower from 1952:

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history."

Only just a few weeks ago this quote came to my mind and I actually scoffed at it. I was feeling some considerable doubt and perhaps even a little despair. From all appearances it seemed to me that the right wing might finally be within grasp of their #1 all-time goal of destroying Social Security and Medicare.

I was feeling that the American public had either become jaded and duped into believing the Republican lies or just didn't really care what our elected officials did, epecially considering the kind of win the Rethugs got in Congress in 2010.

Well, the Hochul win last night gives me renewed hope that there may still be a kernel of wisdom in old Ike's proclamation. This couldn't have come at a better time and I do hope it represents a real trend for the coming 2012 elections.

:dem: I'm actually beginning to feel like my old optimistic Dem self again! :dem:
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lilyin Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:38 PM
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1. It is absolutely true
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:45 PM
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2. You really need the whole quote, very fitting:
Edited on Wed May-25-11 12:45 PM by kick-ass-bob
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas. Their number is negligible and they are stupid."

http://www.eisenhowermemorial.org/presidential-papers/first-term/documents/1147.cfm
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:51 PM
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5. Yes, I thought about that but...
He makes reference to those who wish to destroy Social Security as a "tiny splinter group". Unfortunately that designation is no longer appropriate. I only wish it were so. Their number is no longer negligible... but he is definitely still right about the "stupid" part. :rofl:
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:57 PM
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6. I dunno. I think those who wish to destroy it ARE a tiny splinter group
with an inordinate amount of money capable of distracting enough people with wedge issues. ;)
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 10:04 PM
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23. i think that splinter will make a big fuss about cutting it to the bone and then the congressional
mainstream will cut it in a "kinder, gentler" manner.

and we will all cheer.

"yay! we saved medicare!!!"

repeat next year.

"Yay!"
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hifiguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:58 PM
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7. I believe that Ike made that statement in a letter
to his brother Milton.

I am just re-reading a bio of Ike. His private contempt for the right-wing fringe of his day - who were just as nutty as ours, but about different things - was apparently quite boundless even though he avoided criticizing them harshly in public.
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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:12 PM
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10. I included the link to the letter.
It's Pres papers Doc#1147 for Ike.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:49 PM
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3. This Eisenhower quote should be a major theme in every national election and in every
congressional race! :patriot:
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:51 PM
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4. I Like Ike
He was a smart man, who had his nation's people's interests at heart.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:21 PM
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12. Remember this 1952 Commercial?
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:35 PM
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13. No
I wasn't born until 1955, don't know when we got a TV, either.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:13 PM
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17. I saw this in a U.S. History class back in high school
I wasn't born until the '70s!
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:57 PM
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22. Great link
check out these ads for 1952 ads for Adlai Stevenson. They were listed on the page your Eisehower ad is on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgaUVvmMRLU&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxYDTTNYMic&feature=related
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:58 PM
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8. Always thought the same and held his quote close
But many recent attacks on Social Security have made me question the truth to that quote.

The third rail these days seem more to be defense and not so much Social Security.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:12 PM
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9. Has anyone considered the possibility
Edited on Wed May-25-11 01:12 PM by nichomachus
that the NY election results weren't about Medicare, but about the Teabagger in the race. He got 9 percent of the vote. If he hadn't been in the race, those votes would have definitely gone to the Republican, who would have won.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:51 PM
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15. Considering how blood red that district is...
if Medicare hadn't played a role in the election, it's more likely that Hochul would have had only 9% of the vote instead of the teabagger. Just sayin' :shrug:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:08 PM
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16. In that district in 2008
The Dem candidate got 34 percent of the vote and the Republican candidate got 38 percent. There were several third party candidates in the race. So, it's not as lopsided as you imagine.
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BlueDemKev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:19 PM
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11. Eisenhower would be a MARXIST by today's GOP standards
....Eisenhower is such a breath of fresh air compared to the thugs who run his party today. He even appointed some of the best justices to the Supreme Court during his presidency: Earl Warren, William Brennan, and Potter Stewart.

R.I.P. Ike!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:36 PM
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14. He'd be a Marxist by DLC Standards, Too
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:27 PM
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18. The Turd Way doesn't like Ike any more than the mouthbreathing TeaPubliKlan
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 10:04 PM
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24. he *was* a marxist.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 04:46 AM
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19. It could come true depending
on how the current President plays it.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 05:23 AM
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20. Funny how Ike keeps coming up in a positive light on a liberal board.
I guess he's one of the best things our party has produced lately.

Oh, wait. Wrong party.

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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:26 AM
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21. Ike was Right about a lot of things!

”Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children."
---President Dwight Eisenhower


Ike would be a Flaming Liberal by today's standards.

http://blueworksbetter.com/EisenhowerFlamingLiberal
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 10:21 PM
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25. Sincerely, I hope Ike was right.
I've been trying to visualize what these republiCons are striving for. The best I can envision is that they want to have a private membership club of millionaires called the 5 percenters living in fortresses with the other 95 percent of us occupying tent cities isolated from view without healthcare, clean water, or the barest of necessities. I don't see how they even get any support from any region.
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