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Playinghardball Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 12:56 PM
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Assange: Obama looks to ‘put a chill across all investigative journalism’
Source: Raw Story
By Stephen C. Webster

If the Obama administration's prosecutions of Pfc. Bradley Manning and a high tide of other journalists and whistleblowers are successful, the result will be "a chill across all investigative journalism," WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange told reporters Wednesday.

Speaking on a press call, Assange was joined by Daniel Ellsberg, a former military analyst who leaked the famed Pentagon Papers, which provided an impetus for the U.S. to end the Vietnam War. The two hailed Manning as a "hero" who may face a military court that is already convinced of his guilt.

Ellsberg and others specifically pointed to a recent statement by President Barack Obama, in which the commander-in-chief appeared to pronounce the soldier's guilt.

"He broke the law," Obama said in April.

"It was obviously grossly improper for the commander-in-chief to be saying that," Ellsberg said.

More at: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/05/25/assange-obama-looks-to-put-a-chill-across-all-investigative-journalism/
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:01 PM
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1. Not the first time Obama has slammed his foot in his mouth over a legal issue..
...remember the Harvard Prof and the cop issue? He should have kept quiet on that one too...
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Eagle Mall Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:25 PM
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2. How'd you like that speech at Parliament? First US President to do so.
The UK absolutely loves this guy.

Sad that you chose to go the bitter Obama hating route.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:27 PM
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3. Yeah! And what about this?!


ZOMG i rest my case!

Seriously, the only thing you left out was a reference to President Palin.
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Eagle Mall Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:35 PM
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5. you guys are really having a run of bad luck lately, huh?
you would have a much better chance if you didn't choose to make an enemy of such a complete badass.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:40 PM
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8. An "enemy"?
Uh-huh. You aren't very good at this.
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Eagle Mall Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:12 PM
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13. what else do you call someone who you revile?
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:34 PM
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4. "bitter Obama hating route"
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Welcome...I hope you stick around, things are gonna get mighty interesting if all you do is wave your pom poms...

I made the observation that there have been occasions when it would have been better for him to have remained silent on a topic...and the fact that my fellow countrymen appear to have gone mental for him has absolutely sweet fuck-all to do with my post..
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Eagle Mall Donating Member (199 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:37 PM
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6. sorry, you don't get to muzzle our President.
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:42 PM
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10. +1
You'll be fine. ;-)

Welcome!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:56 PM
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15. WTF are you talking about?
Who is muzzling whom? :wtf:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:58 PM
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17. careful..
you're about two posts away from being accused of being rascist.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:31 PM
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24. I know, right?
A-mazing....:wtf:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:18 PM
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21. LOL. It's too bad a president with a law degree has to be reminded
what due process is.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:54 PM
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14. it's more of a bitter, freedom-loving route
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:10 PM
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49. So to you, because the Colonial, Imperial ruling class of Britain
'absolutely loves the guy' (you don't know much about them obviously) we should just forget that this country fought a Revolution against that same Empire to establish a democratic state where all people have the same rights.

The British have a long and brutal, criminal history of oppressing other nations and stealing their resources with which they built their own Empire. Not exactly a proud history.

Excuse me if I am not impressed by Empires. I like Democracies.

Amazing comment frankly. The issue isn't whether some foreign nation's royalty likes our politicians or not, the issue is about OUR Civil Liberties and one of the most important elements of a democracy, A Free Press. So important the FFs included it in the Constitution.

Assange is absolutely correct. It is very disturbing to see what is happening to whistle-blowers under this administration.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:43 PM
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11. I disagree
with his handling of whistle blowers and especially his comments about Manning but I disagree with you about the Gates issue. Perhaps it would have been better he not say anything but I agreed with Obama in regards to how the cop acted.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:39 PM
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7. manning was not a whistleblower. he down loaded hundreds of thousands with hope of gotcha
was criminal.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 02:57 PM
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16. daniel ellsberg would vehemently disagree..
but what the fuck does daniel ellsberg know? it's not like he's a constitutional scholar.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:05 PM
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32. betcha there are a lot that would disagree with him. hey, obama is a constitutional scholar, too.
right?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:51 PM
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43. that whooshing sound you hear?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 05:57 PM
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44. no. it is merely that there are people that disagree with your position
and though you have your argument, i have mine. the man is criminal. he is not a whistleblower going after a specific crime. he downloaded hundreds of thousands of cables looking for a gotcha.

why do facts not matter to you?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:14 PM
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45. If Manning did as alleged, what evidence do you have that he did it as a "gotcha".
You say this over and over again but I've seen nothing in any of the chat logs or in any interview with anyone who was close to him that his motive was juvenile.

If he was the leaker, then he is clear about his motiviation...

http://wlcentral.org/node/1808

"According to his dialogue with Lamo, he had been instructed to watch fifteen detainees held by the Iraqi federal police for printing "anti-Iraqi literature." Manning says he found out "they had printed a scholarly critique" against Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki, "a benign political critique titled, 'Where did the money go?'... following the corruption trail within the PM's cabinet." But, when Manning "*ran* with this information to a senior officer to explain, "he didn't want to hear any of it...he told me to shut up and explain how we could assist the FPs in finding *MORE* detainees.

After that, he said, "I saw things differently. I had always questioned the things worked, and investigated to find the truth... but that was the point where I was a *part* of something... i was actively involved in something that i was completely against..." Manning, it appears, knew he might be on a quixotic mission, but despite his military oath, he felt an allegiance to something higher. "Its important that it gets out... I feel, for some bizarre reason it might actually change something," he wrote Lamo. "God knows what happens now...."
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:25 PM
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46. i could say it slower i guess.... he did not go after anything specific. he pulled down hundreds
of thousands of capables to find SOMETHING criminal. that is looking for gotcha. that is criminal. that is not a whistleblower. that is pulling down everything to find something.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:54 PM
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48. You are presenting nothing but mere speculation. You have no clue what the leaker
saw in the cables or didn't see.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:13 PM
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50. the FACT is he downloaded hundreds of thousands of cable, clueless what was on them
Edited on Wed May-25-11 07:13 PM by seabeyond
handed over to another person, to find a crime.

that is fact.

there is no if and buts, maybe, kinda, sorta
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:16 PM
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51. So you are saying with 100% certainty that whoever leaked these cables
read none of them and thus, saw no evidence of immoral or criminal behavior.


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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:18 PM
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52. if a person read three cables then they hand off 3, if that is what they are blowing the whistle
Edited on Wed May-25-11 07:19 PM by seabeyond
on

if a person reads three and sees no crime or even sees a crime and hands off hundreds of thousands of other cables he is clueless what is on them... he has committed treason. a crime. he is irresponsible.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:24 PM
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53. Nobody has been charged with treason. Not even Manning.
Again, you have no clue as to how many cables were read before being downloaded.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 07:29 PM
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54. you are right. and again, this is opinion. i am not sittin as judge or juror
but like the dks rapist.... we like to quibble what is is.

since almost all that has been exposed is not crime and is stuff that is already known, i would say that alone says he didnt know what the fuck they had and it is a fuckin game that he had no right to play nor assange....
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:40 PM
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9. only in the US, and we haven't done any real investigative journalism here for decades
Geez, where's he been? Our press only prints what it's told to anyway, and anyone outside the US isn't going to give a rat's ass... they'll just shake their heads at us a little harder.


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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 01:45 PM
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12. Assange is not even close to being an investigative journalist
He's too fucking lazy. He puts scads of stolen documents on a website and calls that 'journalism?'

Please.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:00 PM
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18. actually he provided news agencies with scads of stolen documents to vet..
but if you don't get that by now, you never will. by choice, i'm certain.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:30 PM
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23. He's more of a trafficker of stolen documents than journalist.
Sorry.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:32 PM
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26. Keep telling yourself that.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #26
30. Only needed to tell myself that once.
Because it is a fact.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:33 PM
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28. Who does Wikileaks traffic to?
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NavyDem Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:47 PM
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29. So he is a SOURCE not a JOURNALIST
Link us to one article written by Assange based on a document provided to wikileaks. If he's a journalist, surely he has written numerous articles right?

My Google must be broken, because I can find many, many articles ABOUT Julian Assange, but I can't find any BY Julian Assange.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:26 PM
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36. He and other Wikileaks members produced the collateral murder video.
FYI, Assange is the Editor-in-Chief. Most of the articles were by-lined with "Wikileaks Staff". Though, Wikileaks states that he wrote most of the summaries that introduce the leak documents.

But here are some articles that Wikileaks has produced.

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/The_looting_of_Kenya_under_President_Moi

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin_Yahoo_email_hack_2008

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks.org_under_injunction

http://mirror.wikileaks.info/wiki/Serious_nuclear_accident_may_lay_behind_Iranian_nuke_chief%27s_mystery_resignation/

More info on the process on the Wikileaks site:
http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikileaks:About#How_does_WikiLeaks_test_document_authenticity.3F
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:01 PM
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20. Tell that to Iceland. As a direct result of Wikileaks
*their* corrupt banksters were busted.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:04 PM
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31. Again, that makes him a trafficker of stolen documents.
Unless, of course, you can show me something Assange has actually written.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #31
34. LOL. Pathetic and likely neck breaking.
I hope you have good medical insurance. :)
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:27 PM
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37. Yes, it would break your neck to find anything he's written
and that would be pathetic.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:28 PM
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38. Please see post #36
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:18 PM
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22. First of all, Assange is not Wikileaks and second, you are wrong...
Assange explains Wikileaks journalistic process here:

http://newsflavor.com/world/usa-canada/wikileaks-journalisms-rise-from-the-sepulcher/

“WikiLeaks has combined high-end security technologies with journalism and ethical principles. Like other media outlets conducting investigative journalism, we accept (but do not solicit) anonymous sources of information. Unlike other outlets, we provide a high security anonymous drop box fortified by cutting-edge cryptographic information technologies. This provides maximum protection to our sources. We are fearless in our efforts to get the unvarnished truth out to the public. When information comes in, our journalists analyse the material, verify it and write a news piece about it describing its significance to society. We then publish both the news story and the original material in order to enable readers to analyse the story in the context of the original source material themselves. Our news stories are in the comfortable presentation style of Wikipedia, although the two organisations are not otherwise related. Unlike Wikipedia, random readers can not edit our source documents.”<11>


This information about their process has been known for years and has been reported here and elsewhere.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:34 PM
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40. You are talking to kitchen tables. Try again when a TeaPubliKlan is in office for a different tune.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:32 PM
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25. Those scads of documents are much more informative than the crap the msm pushes as news.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:29 PM
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39. Gee, then you'd think Assange would frickin' READ one or two and write something on his own?
Nah - not when there's tail to be chased.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:21 PM
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35. Oh Jeebus Christ.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:00 PM
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19. Department of Justice Subpoenas a New York Times Reporter
Department of Justice Subpoenas a New York Times Reporter
By John Hudson May 24, 2011

A New York Times reporter was served a subpoena Monday in an effort to force his disclosure of a source who gave him information about the CIA's plot to sabotage Iran's nuclear program. The reporter, James Risen, is going to resist the order, he tells the Times. “I am going to fight this subpoena,” Risen said. “I will always protect my sources, and I think this is a fight about the First Amendment and the freedom of the press.” Risen is being ordered to testify at the trial of former CIA officer Jeffrey Sterling who's been charged with leaking information to the press, reports the Times. The work that Risen's coming under questioning for is a chapter in his 2006 book State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration. Sterling allegedly told Risen about a CIA operation in 2000 designed to break Iran's nuclear program by having an undercover Russian scientist sell the Iranians a faulty nuclear triggering device designed to disrupt the system. Risen described the operation as a botched plan.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/05/department-justice-subpoenas-new-york-times-reporter/38093/
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 03:33 PM
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27. K & R.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:07 PM
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33. Julian doesn't understand our legal system
Even if the President thinks someone is guilty, that does not mean the body that conducts the trial has to come to the same conclusion after considering the evidence.

Julian is attention seeking again. He's admitting Manning did what he did, finally? He admits Manning is guilty himself.

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:39 PM
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42. No he is not admitting to anything. Raw Story journalists are extremely sloppy.
Here is a better article (and collaborated by other articles I've read via google search..,

""I don't know whether it (the source) was Bradley Manning or not, but he is only person behind bars on that allegation," Assange said in explaining why he's been so dogged in defending Manning. "

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/25/6717046-assange-ellsberg-manning-prosecution-an-assault-on-journalism
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 04:36 PM
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41. If the President says he's guilty, then he's guilty. That's the way it works
Edited on Wed May-25-11 04:36 PM by grahamhgreen
in all banana republics.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-25-11 06:35 PM
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47. "If they weren't guilty, they wouldn't be suspects" -Ed Meese..
Now we know who Obama has been getting legal advice from.

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