Good Grief! Missouri is having MORE tornados today?

Stay safe,folks...

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/hazards/?wfo=lsx&lat=38.8148&lon=-91.9342&pil=LSXTORLSX&iss=1306350347&maptype=text

Too bad we don't have a public view of the hot spots...

bringing increasing droughts/floods --

and increasing numbers and severity of storms, hurricanes, cyclones, tornados --

and earthquakes --

earthquakes in turn generate volcanic activity --


We've known about human activity's negative effects on the environment for more than

100 years -- and Global Warming has been discussed since the 1950's --

It's about HEAT -- Heating up the atmosphere creates chaotic weather conditions --

and these conditions will not only be increasing in number, they will increase in severity.

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism


http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0%2C6903%2C1153513%2C00.html
Pentagon memo to Bush


Btw, this is but one version of the recap -- there are others --

However, the original cited "earthquakes" as well -- and that reference was

scrubbed after a few years.

to earthquakes and volcanic activity?

I'd suggest that you try a bit of googling on your own --

and you will find scientists are making the connection --

However, here is the Pentagon warning to W -- and I've posted

other info in other posts on this thread --

And, of course, there is much more info --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1172373&mesg_id=1175635

me if I don't jump to such a conclusion. I don't disagree with you necessarily, I just see a lot of people heading for that not based on any data they can point to, but on their own fears. The same way they predict raptures.

While I know things are heating up, I have seen nothing that says those tornadoes were anything abnormal. They were just as bad in 1950, and again before that in the early 1900's, IIRC, not to mention the "Dust Bowl" period. Such strong storms do happen more than people know, but until they happen to hit a populated area they don't even make the news.

I must confess, I do not remember the last time we had an earthquake in Oklahoma that affected much.

but you seriously think that Global Warming and the "rapture" are similar fairy tales?

Wow --

As for the last 50 years, evidently you didn't read my comments --

There is a 50 year DELAY in our feeling the effects of Global Warming -- which is what

gave the oil industry/ExxonMobil and paid for scientists and paid for legislators and

rightwing propagandists the opportunity to confuse and deceive the public.

That delay is now pretty much ended -- and we are beginning to feel the true effects of

Global Warming -- currently we're feeling effects of our activities up to about 1960 ---

but imagine all that we did after that period of time --


The melting of the glaciers is causing shifting in tectonic plates --

RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Tue May-03-11 04:06 PM
Response to Reply #26

54. Actually it refers to the entire biosphere.

The greatest change is in the ocean. As polar and glacial ice melts, huge weights are lifted from the land masses. At the same time, that same weight is added to the oceans. The changing pressure on the geologic plasts causes stress to those plates, causing earthquakes as they adjust. Earthquakes create instability, open up fissures, causing volcanoes to become active.

So yeah, it does have an effect on the titanic forces at work within the earth.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4837036&mesg_id=4837639






UN challenges states on warming
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website, Valencia

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0%2C6903%2C1153513%2C00.html
PENTAGON MEMO TO W BUSH --

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0%2C6903%2C1153513%2C00.html

--- There are varying recaps of this on the internet -- I have a few copies --

the original recited increasing droughts/floods, cyclones, tornados, storms, hurricanes --

and earthquakes. Earthquakes were scrubbed after a few years.

I'd suggest that if you are sincere in wanting to know about Global Warming that you continue

to read about it --

If you haven't read the 1992 Scientists Warning to Humanity Re Global Warming, let me know

and I'll give you a link --




Ban Ki-moon
"I come to you humbled after seeing some of the most precious treasures of our planet threatened by humanity's own hand," he said.
"All humanity must assume responsibility for these treasures."
Unavoidable effects
The IPCC report synthesises the three aspects of climate change that it has already pronounced on earlier in the year, on the science, the likely impacts, and options for dealing with the problem.
Among the top-line conclusions are that climate change is "unequivocal", that humankind's emissions of greenhouse gases are more than 90% likely to be the main cause, and that impacts can be reduced at reasonable cost.
READ THE FINDINGS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7098902.stm


And, of course, there is much more --

Scientists continue to be shocked at the speed of the glacier melts --

yes...it is truly the end days!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1172373&mesg_id=1175635


You might want to progress to the World Scientists Warning to Human on Global

Warming from 1992 ...

World Scientists Warning to Humanity --

http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/1992-world-scientists-warning-to-humanity.html


Which was met by silence --

Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis and landslides are some of the additional catastrophes that climate change and its rising sea levels and melting glaciers could bring, a geologist says.

http://www.livescience.com/7366-global-warming-spur-ear...

...

Shockwaves from melting icecaps are triggering earthquakes, say scientists
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change...

Scientists monitoring the glaciers have revealed that movements of gigantic pieces of ice are creating shockwaves that register up to three on the Richter scale.

The speed of the arctic ice melt has accelerated to such an extent that a UN report issued earlier this year is now thought to be out of date by its own authors.

>snip<

The accelerating thaw and the earthquakes are intimately connected, according to Mr Kallio, as immense slabs of ice are sheared from the bed rock by melt water. Those blocks of ice, often more than 800m deep and 1500m long, contain immense rocks as well and move against geological faults with seismic consequences. The study of these ice quakes is still in its infancy, according to Professor Correll, but their occurence is in itself disturbing. "It is becoming a lot more volatile," said Mr Vallio. Predictions made by the Arctic Council, a working group of regional scientists, have been hopelessly overrun by the extent of the thaw. "Five years ago we made models predicting how much ice would melt and when," said Mr Vallio. "Five years later we are already at the levels predicted for 2040, in a year's time we'll be at 2050."

.....





Actually it refers to the entire biosphere.

The greatest change is in the ocean. As polar and glacial ice melts, huge weights are lifted from the land masses. At the same time, that same weight is added to the oceans. The changing pressure on the geologic plasts causes stress to those plates, causing earthquakes as they adjust. Earthquakes create instability, open up fissures, causing volcanoes to become active.

So yeah, it does have an effect on the titanic forces at work within the earth.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4837036&mesg_id=4837639

as a few of the other catastrophes possible.

Don't know that we can turn anything around -- but those who are responsible

for this insanity are now in charge of the nation -- and things can actually

get much, much worse!!


:(

The Global Weather catastrophe.

Of course, even while we are being told it doesn't exist, one of Obama's science advisers mentioned we should be starting to implement it soon. (April, 2009)

Orwellian times we live in.

Does it begin with a H and end in a P ?

Chem trail program - but that program is - if my suspicions are correct, intimately tied up with the H and the P program.

The clouds form a grid and then the pulsed or waved energy from H & P can be then activated to be used as a giant listening device.

When you read up on the patents - that is what is discussed as one of the uses.

I did in the last months catch up with the military explanation --

something to do with communication/transmission re Iraq -- ?

But chemtrails began probably 20 years ago -- long before Iraq -- so not

sure about that.

Of course, wouldn't discount any bit of stupidity possible being put in place

for any reason considering the level of suicidal stupidities already put in place!


HAARP's been around quite some time now -- must be being used for something???

As far as listening devices, however, since VN we've evidently had the ability to

listen in almost anywhere -- to hear conversations of natives on high mountain

peaks and people talking in streets. I can see tho that again elites would move to

have it deliver info they might be personally and exclusively interested in.

It was said we had 24/7 surveillance of Osama Bin Laden, Tailiban/Al Qaeda -- and

why not since we were financing them we should know exactly what they were doing, right?


And ..

When you read up on the patents - that is what is discussed as one of the uses.


Where are you reading up on the patents?


Meanwhile, damage to the ozone layer can be as much as 49.9% before it is called a hole --

and that certainly isn't healthy for humans, animal life or plants. Think we might consider

that some of the purpose could be Weather Modification?

Think about it, isn't Global Warming the more dangerous secret?


You also mentioned something in your original post --

Of course, even while we are being told it doesn't exist, one of Obama's science advisers mentioned we should be starting to implement it soon. (April, 2009)

Presumably we have been implementing it for more than 20 years --

but who knows -- could be about anything -- or a new twist in it all?


Really, the entire world now belongs in 9/11 --


:evilgrin:

I am not a skeptic per se, but I am very skeptical of people who have political solutions to meteorological problems.

and MIGHT be causing the statistically proven increase in severe weather and rise in ocean temperature is a good enough reason to switch to something other than coal?

But we will always have devastating weather. Are you prepared to claim the contrapositive, that if we switch to green energy (at tremendous cost), that extreme weather will disappear? I am skeptical of anyone who answers that question in the affirmative.

I'm from Kansas, I know about tornadoes, and they've always been around. But heating up the ocean and melting the ice caps causes more extreme weather, the science behind it is pretty much unquestioned by any scientist not being paid by the people who do the polluting. I'm OK with the amount of tornadoes and hurricanes and tidal waves we have. We don't need to go trying to create more.

And yes, I believe that the amount of extreme weather we're seeing is affected by climate change today, and could get worse in the future. The difference is hard to measure. Maybe tornadoes are happening that wouldn't have happened otherwise. Maybe tornadoes are happening that would've happened anyway, but they're stronger because of this. It's impossible to say what the weather would be like if the ocean level and temperature were at their normal levels, only what the weather is like now. And what we're seeing now is an increase in severe weather.

But no, saying tornadoes will disappear if we use green fuel would be ridiculous.

and more --

HEAT in the atmosphere creates chaotic weather --

And it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels -- human activity.

I'd suggest you actually read something of the information that's being

provided on these threads. Start with the 1992 World Scientists Warning to Humanity --


http://www.ucsusa.org/about/1992-world-scientists.html



You might also be interested in the Pentagon's WARNING to W in 2004 --

telling him that Global Warming is a bigger threat to US than terrorism.

And, it listed earthquakes as a consequence of GW -- though "earthquakes"

were scrubbed after a few years. If you want a link to it, let me know.

Back in the 70s a few paleo-climatologists, studying the long-term climate trends since the end of the last ice age noticed that there has been a cooling trend since about 6000BC and that in a few thousand years (they were ignoring GHGs, obviously, because they were not really thought to be an issue at the time) a new glaciation would start. The media then sensationalized it into "ICE AGE COMING!!!".

"proof" global warming doesn't exist.
I don't recall ANY big or little "global cooling" issues in the 70s, if you mean 1970's, no idea what you are talking about.

It shouldn't be about political solutions and science issues should not be made political. You seem to be reversing that though. Reducing or monitoring use of carbon fuels to slow climate change is a science thing, only made political because a political party disagrees with that. Like it being "political" to not pollute our air and land and water.
No, that all is just made political because monied interests that influence politics want the right to do things that science and common sense say are bad.

Climate change... as taught in the 70s or now... is about more extremes because of shifting patterns. Is THIS outbreak global warming? We can't say yes or no. The conditions... super snow pack, cold air, extra dry Texas, Mississippi flooding (those things affecting the moisture dropped or picked up by moving fronts), extra warm gulf and so on are all made likelier by the factors with climate change

Of course they have happened without it
Climate change isn't about new storms...
same old, same old just more often, more violently

But forever saying we can't pin issues on climate change reminds me of how we can't blame cancer clusters on certain things like chemicals or smoking... because they are not immediate in time or not everyone gets it or whatever...

info given on these threads -- and also google up some info for yourself --

The right wing/oil industry were able to confuse and deceive the public because

there has been a 50 year delay in our feeling the effects of Global Warming.

Right now, we're only feeling the effects up to about 1960. Imagine all that

occurred after that! And ExxonMobil certainly didn't spend tens of billions of

dollars doing that because Global Warming doesn't exist --


Global Warming has already changed patterns of weather -- El Nino and La Nina are

Global Warming -- they were once rare occurrences -- now they are regular events.

Global Warming has changed wind patterns --

and is bringing increasing numbers of and severity of droughts/floods, cyclones,

tornados, storms, hurricanes -- the more storms, the more tornados.

Global Warming is also bringing increased numbers of earthquakes and more severe

earthquakes. This is due to the melting of the glaciers.

Earthquakes in turn create volcanic activity.

You can also check my journal for info --


:)

and thought I might lose a window for a sec but that was the worst of it. They stuck folks in shelters as well...

Then the sun came out. This state is f'ing crazy...

Just curious-like to know what each part had happen today.

My town was in a weird little bubble all day long. We were surrounded by warnings-some less than five miles away from the town-but no sirens ever sounded, nor did they even interrupt our cable service. At least my kid said they had to take cover at the schools and didn't wait for the city to make the decision.

nuclear reactors in the state -- ?

If so where are they from Joplin?

Fulton, MO (25 miles ENE of Jefferson City, MO)

In my area we have weapons. Remember the tv movie The Day After? It takes place in the area I live. I know the names of the towns they list because they are nearby.

Fulton is more mid Missouri while Joplin is SW Missouri.

1896 -- The St. Louis - East St. Louis Tornado -- St. Louis, Missouri and East St. Louis, Illinois -- Death Toll: 255

"One of the few tornados to strike a major city, this tornado touched down in St. Louis on May 27, 1896, leaving a mile-wide path of destruction through homes and commercial buildings. It then crossed the Mississippi River and blew through East St. Louis, Illinois. The official death toll is 255, but some have estimated that the death toll may be as high as 400, since it is impossible to know how many died in boats on the Mississippi River. When adjusted for inflation, the tornado would be the costliest in US history, with an estimated price tag of $2.9 billion."

http://www.google.com/search?aq=2&oq=1896+tor&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=st.+louis+1896+tornado

It's not something that's just started happening recently. We are, after all is said and done, very fragile lifeforms, and it seems at times that Mother Nature intends to wipe us off the planet once and for all. Please stay safe, and if there's any doubt, get underground if at all possible.

Not that unusual this time of year.

Everyone here knows about the Joplin tornado because it just took out so much but we know this time of year is tornado season.

Heck, this season hasn't been as bad otherwise. May of 2003 was personally much worse.