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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:42 PM Original message |
Poll question: Can a person be both pro-life and a feminist? |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. How about, can you be pro-life and not support the criminalization of abortion? |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
78. Yep. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. No. If you don't believe a woman OWNS her body |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Good distinction. nt |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
34. the human body is not property |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
60. If they own their body, should they have a choice as to where to go with it |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
82. if my body is my property |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. I dunno - should you? Should you be able to terminate your life if you are sick? |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
103. it depends - at what point does a person's body become her property |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. If that person supports the criminalization of abortion |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. You're saying my poll choices are like kinky sex? |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. What's bad about them? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. I let people label themselves. nt |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. I'm surprised you would choose that term on a 'liberal' board. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I have no idea what your reply is trying to communicate. nt |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Anthony lived in a very different era, when abortions were crude affairs and there was |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. She against abortion for moral reasons. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. It seems she was, indeed, conflicted. But the fact remained that women |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
40. Did you actually read the oped that you linked to? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. Yes, I read that. The paper is hers. We say Ron Paul is racist because his paper had racist articles |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #56 |
69. It was not signed by her nor did it include the customary shorthand for her signature. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:37 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Does she have any pro-abortion associations? |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
84. I am not above insults when dealing directly with people who advance flimsy right-wing |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. If she also published pro-choice articles, then her publishing would be poor evidence |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #87 |
97. The article advocated decriminalization of abortion. That is pro-choice. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #97 |
101. No, you misread. The article said legislation would not resolve the issue of unwanted pregnancy. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. Stupid poll. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. No, but I do enjoy people's interpretations of my polls. nt |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Agree -- stupid poll. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. What is my agenda? nt |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. You're trying to justify an anti-abortion stance just because Susan B. Anthony was against abortion. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. How did you come to this conclusion? Is it just the "pro-life" label? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I once made a poll comparing wolves and mice and people accused me of advocating the killing of |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Very well stated. Thank you. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. How did you come to the conclusion my OP was anti-abortion? nt |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. don't you mean anti-abortion? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I let people label themselves, but I completely understand your opposition to calling |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. thank you. my comment to self was, i believe in life (pro life) and believe in choice. |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
9. It partially depends on whether one subscribes to 3rd-wave feminism. |
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Blasphemer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
10. Depends on what you mean by pro-life |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
20. Can a person be pro-zombie and a zombie hunter? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. If you truly love killing zombies, then you need lots zombies to kill. nt |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:24 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. Until you run out of bullets |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I kill zombies with STDs. Slow, but effective. nt |
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DainBramaged (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. OK then.... |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
24. You mean anti-choice I think |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. I use the term pro-life because that is what they call themselves. |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
50. And the Nazi's called themselves "socialists". It didn't make it true. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:59 PM Response to Reply #27 |
76. Vomit |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:16 PM Response to Original message |
25. Susan B. Anthony died in 1906 - long before Roe v. Wade |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. I am not asking people if abortions are OK, I am asking if a feminist can be pro-life. |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. you're making an assumption that Anthony would hold the same opinion now |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. that's someone you should ask about |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
46. You assumed I assumed. The only thing I have assumed about Anthony is that the information I |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. the point, I guess - is I don't think her stance is relevant to today |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #46 |
86. Here, doesn't answer your question, but |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:23 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Where did I make fun of women's sufferage? nt |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:14 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Oh, you're serious? The poll? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:54 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I am serious. Be specific, where I am making fun of women's sufferage? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. No. You can't be anti-choice and a feminist. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Do you think Susan B. Anthony was a misogynist? |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I don't know enough about her to say one way or the other. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Apparently old Susan B hated women |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
45. Why are you advancing this lie that Susan B. Anthony was anti-abortion? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Here is a link for you discussing the issue... |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. I already read that. I don't think you did. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. I did read it. I liked it because it offered a semi-balanced view point. nt |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #51 |
83. So in summary |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:27 AM Response to Reply #83 |
96. Pro-life is the proper term for the stance. |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
71. I think Susan B. Anthony live in a totally different era |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. If the definition of feminist has changed, then Anthony may no longer be a feminist. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #74 |
93. You can say she was a feminist within the context of her own time period |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:09 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. In my opinion, Susan B. Anthony was a feminist. |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 03:40 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. She was a first wave feminist. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Seems like you are advocating for fluid definitions. nt |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:32 PM Response to Original message |
36. Pro life yes, anti-choice no. Simple as that nt |
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Myrina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
43. Not in the way "Pro Life" is currently defined. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #43 |
106. Pro-life actually does mean the criminalization of abortion. |
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LynneSin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
47. How can you be pro-life and one of the 40 GOP senators who voted against our senior citizens? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
61. Pro-life is about abortion, so those other topics are off topic. nt |
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Luminous Animal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
48. FYI, I am pro-choice and pro-life. I reject the right wing frame of what it means to be pro-life. |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
49. susan b. anthony was a racist |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. I have never heard/read about Anthony being racist. Do you have a link? nt |
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BOG PERSON (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. well |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:05 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. That would be strong evidence of racism. If you ever run across evidence for this, please send it to |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:27 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. I wouldn't call Stanton and Anthony racist |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
52. Easy - provide women with whatever it takes to make abortions obsolete |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
54. Susan B Anthony WAS a feminist and she was NOT anti-choice! |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. She did not write it, she published it. She was involved in the sufferage movement which was |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
55. Please hold up your leg. |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. I voted No, but I disagree with the idea that Anthony |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. We would all probably be different if we were born during another time or place. nt |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Yes, and it makes comparisons like that one impossible |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I am not making a comparison. nt |
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LadyHawkAZ (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Then I think I have misunderstood the poll questions...? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. The poll was about the definition of the word feminist, but it has turned into something else. |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Sort of - you can be anti-choice for yourself but you have to be pro-choice for other women |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
65. Only if you are also pro-choice and not try to control other women's values with your own. |
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Raine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:03 PM Response to Original message |
79. Yes a person is entitled to their opinion as long |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
81. Actually ran across a feminist theory on this |
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REP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
88. False choice. No real feminist TODAY is anti-choice |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-25-11 10:35 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Men making the decision because so many felt they had no choice |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 04:43 AM Response to Original message |
99. I think it's almost impossible to equate the attitudes of people 150 years ago with modern politics |
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LeftinOH (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
102. The term "pro life" implies that some people are "anti life". It's RW terminology, not reality. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. No, pro-life is proper English. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
104. I voted "Punching in the shin" |
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Iggo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
107. Can a person be anti-abortion and pro-choice? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-26-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. A person can be anti-abortion and pro-choice, but a person can not be |
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