Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

First San Fran, now: Group Wants Santa Monica to Ban Boy Circumcisions

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU
 
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:01 AM
Original message
First San Fran, now: Group Wants Santa Monica to Ban Boy Circumcisions
There's a campaign in Santa Monica to ban circumcisions on boys under the age of 18, even for religious reasons.

http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/Group_Wants_Santa_Monica_to_Ban_Boy_Circumcisions_122606399.html?storySection=comments

Santa Monica residents may be voting on circumcision in their November 2012 ballot, according to the LA Times.

The MGM Bill (Male Genital Mutilation bill), an organization dedicated to placing circumcision bans on ballots across the country, has just proposed an initiative in Santa Monica that would ban the procedure on males under the age of 18. Female circumcision, or what most call female genital mutilation, is already outlawed in California and the United States.

This same organization has successfully proposed a circumcision ban in San Francisco, which means the initiative will appear on the city's ballot for an upcoming vote this fall. Lloyd Schofield, a San Francisco resident who is leading the charge to ban the minor surgery in his city, told the Associated Press, "Parents are really guardians, and guardians have to do what's in the best interest of the child. It's his body. It's his choice."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/santa-monica-circumcision_n_867170.html

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
1. If one looks at circumcision as any other type of elective surgery,
it only makes sense to leave the decision up to the individual who is getting his penis whacked.
Kudos to the humane and rational activists on the West Coast.
:bounce:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. Same with getting vaccinated - wait till someone is old enough to choose
:evilgrin:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. Apples and basketballs.. n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. What ever happened to personal choice? It's the parents decision!
Why is government interfering? The ones who claim...get the gov. off my back don't min when it comes to personal/social behavior. How can the Gov tell Jews how to practice their religion?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #2
20. A dick can give someone measles?
?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:15 AM
Response to Original message
4. this isn't a real effort. it's pr to promote their cause
nothing wrong with that and if it reduces the incidence of circumcision, great. But let's face it folks, no way is circumcision going to become illegal. It would be more practical to try and make it illegal for anyone but a doctor to perform it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 09:16 AM
Response to Original message
6. The predictable unintended consequence of such a ban is predictable
People will get their baby boys circumcised elsewhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. Mutilating their children in the name of RELIGION.
I'm just quoting Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. I'm circumcised and my parents were not religious people
In most cases it's done for sanitary reasons.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #10
13. The 'sanitary reasons' are essentially BS.
It was done routinely when I was born; I don't think they even asked my mom. Now, at least, people are given a choice.

We didn't do it to our son. We had gone back and forth about it, then after he was born and I held him in my arms, I knew there was no way I was letting anyone cut him unless there was a damn good reason.

I don't think there is a damn good reason for that particular procedure, frankly.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. Unfortunately, Santa Monica is in the middle of a vast, unpopulated wasteland.
I mean, really, where are those people going to go? Venice?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #11
17. They might go all the way to West L.A. or Marina Del Rey
This kind of legislation only hurts businesses and takes choices away from consumers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 01:03 AM
Response to Reply #17
19. When they said that a huge portion of the underground economy was in tips
I'm not sure that's what they had in mind.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:22 AM
Response to Original message
8. OK, I understand SF, it's a city obsessed with uncut manhood
But, why is Santa Monica jumping on the bandwagon?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #8
14. Honestly? It's because it's not about "men", it's about babies.
And the baby doesn't have a say in the matter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #8
22. ...and honestly, if I didn't know better
Edited on Fri May-27-11 03:37 PM by Warren DeMontague
I'd think that was a vaguely homophobic cheap shot.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
9. Good to see the homeless problem is solved in both those cities.
:sarcasm:

But seriously, the argument that this is somehow equivalent to clitoridectomies for girls is ridiculous.

A circumcision won't eliminate sexual gratification for a boy when he gets older. It certainly hasn't for me. Nor do I remember any "trauma" associated with the procedure.

Geez, these "crusaders" need to just give it a frickin' rest!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #9
12. +1,000. FGM is not equaivalent to male circumcision, it's just not.
There's more I could post, but I am so goddamn sick of people drawing this totally inaccurate parallel.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
15. No, it's not.
But it's still a worthy topic of debate in its own right.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #9
23. I remember the trauma of it happening to me… I had it done in grade school
As a matter of fact, I told my Mom that I wanted it done, because it wasn't done to me as an infant. I was not happy with all the extra skin.

So it was done… And yes, it was pretty painful. When I woke up from the anesthesia, I screamed my head off. Then they knocked right the fuck out again. I can imagine avoiding the whole experience had been done right after I was born.

In spite of all, I'm glad that it was done.

And oh yeah, no complaints from any of the ladies either.

This whole made up outrage is about nothing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-26-11 01:45 PM
Response to Original message
16. Anti-abortion activists could probably point a couple of fingers here.
"Parents are really guardians, and guardians have to do what's in the best interest of the child. It's his body. It's his choice."

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 01:02 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. How nice, that they have you to speak for them. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-27-11 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. LOL
:thumbsup:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sun May 12th 2024, 03:48 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » General Discussion Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC