Obama doesn't deserve credit for what's happened in Vermont re health care

Governor Shumlin, Deb Richter, Speaker Shap Smith and many others deserve that credit. Obama didn't support even the public option, let alone what Governor Shumlin signed into law. President Obama supports a waiver that will enable Vermont to implement the plan sooner, but that has to be voted on in Congress.

On health care reform, Obama hasn't exactly been a shining beacon.

Let me go ahead and tell them they are wrong wrong wrong.

To add link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1178063&mesg_id=1180166

And asked to prove that states could do single-payer before RomneyObamaCare became the law of the land. Which is silly.

was someone giving him credit?

"President Obama supports a waiver that will enable Vermont to implement the plan sooner, but that has to be voted on in Congres."

There is a waiver in the health care law that doesn't need to be voted on.

The entire GOP and Holy-Joe Bluedog said no. Remember?

:sarcasm:

Medicare for all? Don't blame Lieberman because it was never part of the legislation in the first place. It was off the table before the proposal was even written.

Please tell me how he could do that on his own... thanks in advance.

Still does.

I blame the people who said no to Obama's plan, not Obama.

The common lie in the OP will not be tolerated.

floor for weeks. It was in the bill right up until the first of the series of final cloture votes, after Lieberman said he wouldn't vote for cloture if it was in there.

And immediately made a secret deal with Pharma to remove it from consideration.

I guess http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1lof5Ho1Jw">ya gotta be cruel to be kind.

would have happened. say what you want about the final bill, he put the issue in the spotlight.
he moved the ball. a lot.

There is a bill in the works that is a work around citing the opt out from the HC bill.

I'm not sure what makes you think CA has single payer. If it did, I'd be on it instead of this behemoth of a health plan I'm paying through the nose for right now.

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health care, education, war, justice, environment, economics, nor civil rights.

POTUS Obama's policies and results are worse than any of the GOP POTUSs during my life except GWB (Ike, Nixon, Reagan, and GHWB).

Hell, I still expect to vote for him is 2012 unless I die first. lol for gallows humor.

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Health reform would not even be talked about had not Obama started the discussion. You may not like The Health care bill passed by congress but you can't say that Obama doesn't deserve credit for starting the process.

at the time when we got an actual law calling itself "health care reform".

"In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.

Among these are:

The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;

The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;

The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;

The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;

The right of every family to a decent home;

The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;

The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;

The right to a good education.

All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being."

President Roosevelt, 1944

But he is the only one to actually get it done. So credit where credit is due.

There was nothing magic about 2009 or that Congress that would have given us a health care bill if we didn't have a President who was pushing for one.

He's always referred to it as a starting point with much more work remaining.

The one thing the HC bill does have that benefits all states is the opt out... which is what Vermont did.

I'm not sure where the disconnect is.

You are obviously delusional. I guess you think the Republicans started the process and got the bill passed and are the ones tring to improve the bill???

Of course Republicans are now running from it, but really the situation is why are Democrats adopting Republican policies, and then claiming to try to improve them?

and once upon a time he said he opposed mandated insurance. Yet, the bill he signed has no public option and requires we continue to support the for profit insurers who make their money by making finding ways to make it difficult to access care.

The "Affordable Care Act" that has been foisted on us has as much to do with Amercians having access to care as Bush's "Clear Skies Iniative" had to do with protecting air quality.

that want to do this.

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to enact single payer before HCR? IE No restrictions? (I was thinking of Hawaii but I don't think they have single payer, just requirements for employers to provide health insurance)

If so did HCR have restrictions for states to enact single payer?

If yes to both I don't think he deserves credit even with the waiver.

This does remind me when Kucinich attempted to get an Amendment merged with the bill at the time that would have allowed states to get single payer without fears from being sued by health insurance industries but it was stripped by Pelosi because she said it broke Obama's promise that people who like their health insurance can stay on the same plan.

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Obama backs waivers needed for Vt.’s single-payer system:



VT delegation hails Obama on waiver:



So, there's that.

Vermont has proved wrong the "public option or nothing" crowd.

:shrug:

Why not get that ball rolling so we could all start making those profit health insurance payments?

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FvLjsUOJg

I'm pretty grateful for what they did to make the cure of polio possible.

beginning, and it was in the bill that was being debated on the Senate floor (right up until the last minute, when Lieberman refused to vote for cloture with it in there).

Any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83FvLjsUOJg&feature=player_embedded

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What happened?

Your quote proves he DID support a public option -- not that he didn't.

(You know very well what ultimately happened and why, but that has nothing to do with the original claim that he somehow did not support a public option.)

That is to say, before he made backroom deals with insurance companies to kill it in exchange for the small political favor of not running too many negative ads.

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The credit should go to those in Vermont who worked to make it possible.

of single payer supporters. But I'm sure many here have.