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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:05 AM
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Memorial Day: Enter Hitler, Release 2.0
As the sage Robert Crumb once remarked about our homeland: "You can't make this shit up."
Sarah Palin entered the race for president this week (without stating it in so many words) with a national bus tour, itself kicked off with a motorcycle parade through Washington.


http://kunstler.com/blog/2011/05/memorial-day-enter-hitler-release-20.html
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:08 AM
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1. There really isn't a whole lot of difference between the rise of the tea party and the Nazis.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:27 AM
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5. except for the whole murderous rampage part, right? lol
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 10:01 AM
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11. True true... otherwise they're pretty identical.
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Matt_in_STL Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:10 AM
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2. As much as I dislike Sarah Palin
I think the invocation of Hitler in relation to her may just be a bit over the top. I don't think we need to stoop to comparing her to the murderer of 6 million Jews in order to get our point across that she is a horrible person in her own right. The Hitler references turn many people off to the message you really want to get out.
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nebenaube Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:27 AM
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4. Could I ask you a question?
Is the holocaust the only thing you know about Hitler? Is it he only thing he should be remembered for? Are we to embrace those who employ his tactics just because they haven't gone there yet?
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Matt_in_STL Donating Member (150 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:37 AM
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8. No, I don't think that at all
However, when Hitler's name comes up most people don't think of his abilities in the political arena or his evil charisma, they tend to think of him for the horrific atrocities he committed. Do I believe Palin has some of those qualities? Undoubtedly, but I still believe that It is a huge exaggeration to put her in the same category as Hitler for that. Personally, Hitler comparisons turn me off to the message no matter which side uses it. I think it is unnecessary and there are better ways to convey a message. That is all my opinion of course and I am sure plenty of people disagree.
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GSLevel9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:33 AM
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19. btw...
Hitler did MUCH before the Holocaust. Hell he did more BEFORE WW2 even. In 1934 thousands of NAZI's killed hundreds of political opponents and arrested THOUSANDS of political opponents in FEW DAYS.

Call me when the Baggers get within a few miles of that kind of power.

lol
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Nye Bevan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:23 AM
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3. She wore leather! And Hitler liked leather too!
What a stupid article.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:36 AM
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20. Don't forget they both have vowels in their names...
Edited on Mon May-30-11 11:37 AM by Cid_B
Obviously a close relation...

I heard she used to be a Schicklgruber.
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Lucinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:32 AM
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6. Oh good grief.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:34 AM
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7. Unrecommended for the Hitler comparison.
We can do better than that here. We should do better than that. It's easy to deal with Sarah Palin's politics.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:41 AM
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9. What do you mean: "it's easy to deal with Palin's politics?"
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 09:46 AM
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10. Kunstler has been hypothesizing the rise of a "cornpone Hitler" for a while now
I think he's right -- the conditions here in America are ripe for it. We are a nation with a bad economy, low self esteem and a huge military.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 10:24 AM
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12. Read something about Hitler, please. You can start here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

Sarah Palin is nothing like Hitler. She lacks his psychopathology and total committment to his evil plans. She is a celebrity. Nothing more. We would do far better to promote our own positions and point out the failures of the other side's positions. Palin is a distraction, and is incapable of gaining power the way Adolph Hitler did in Germany in the 1930s.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:23 AM
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15. I will read that...
Truth be told, I'm more interested in the background conditions than a person. The thing that worries me is that the conditions that feed demagoguery and nationalism are getting worse, not better. Somewhere out there in our nation of 300 million people, is somebody who could rise to power in those conditions. If I'm dead wrong about Sarah Palin, or any other particular person, it doesn't change the conditions.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:29 AM
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17. The conditions are only marginally similar, actually.
Germany was in a time of exploding inflation, with the currency being devalued by many factors of 10. Its economy was in total collapse. Conditions were nothing like what they are here. Germany was still being punished for WWI by the rest of the world, especially in Europe. Hitler offered the promise of returning Germany to dominance in Europe, and had a ready scapegoat at hand on which to blame Germany's problems.

In the meantime, Europe, and the US were in the midst of a major depression, and were not in the mood, nor had the capacity to stop Hitler from his early actions.

The situation there and the situation here are not similar. The conditions are not similar. It is not anything like the same situation.


History is your friend.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:27 AM
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16. The United States is...
hardly comparable to the Weimar Republic.
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Lizzie Poppet Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 10:30 AM
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13. Self-Godwinned.
/facepalm
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Aerows Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 10:32 AM
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14. I really don't like Hitler comparisons
He's considered one of the most evil people to ever live, and for good reason, and comparing someone to Hitler is in effect a little like comparing them to Satan.

I think she's a selfish attention whore who will say absolutely anything to further her own benefit and agenda. Does that make her the most evil person alive? I think she has a lot more competition from Dick Cheney for that title. He's got real experience being an evil bastard. Palin hasn't accomplished enough yet to get real experience being an evil bastard.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-30-11 11:30 AM
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18. Unrecced for...
stupid Hitler comparison.
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