Would you ever want to see John Kerry as President?

Not in 2012, but perhaps in 2016?

Don't get me wrong - Hillary would make a great President. And I say this as a pacifist, a liberal and someone who hates the DLC. She's a good boss, period. I've known several people who have worked under her and all of them agree that she is an excellent boss: never micromanages, lets her employees act on their own, etc.

But I do think Kerry would still make a fine President.

I know that primary was crazy, but what event are you referring to?

Yeah, another capitulation from our party :grr:

Not after Ohio.

And yes, 2012 is not in the bag - - at least not yet

We've got a Royal Straight Flush, but hands can change on the drop of a bucket

but then I don't really know who the "forward" politician would be. I fear the Democrats may have a problem in 2016, actually.

His voting record WAS more liberal than Obama's

There was just that one vote that pissed a lot of us, including me, off

The IWR

And I do agree, he'd be good. What I mean, as far as being worried about 2016, is that I see the Democratic candidates causing the same sort of ho-hum reaction that the Republican candidates are in 2012. I'm not talking about serious policy here, I'm talking about the lame, but all too real, necessities of the American political campaign.

I would proudly vote for him again.

he had his chance and he blew it! :argh:

I would vote for him as prez given no other rational choice, but in my opinion he is just another corporatist. His campaign in 04 was terrible and his reaction to the 'don't taze me bro' event was telling.
No more Scull and bonesmen.

He wasn't my pick in 2004 and wouldn't be in 2016 either.

like bush, I voted for him, but they told him to stand down in Ohio and he did....

It's a recruiting arm for the CIA, but John Kerry is not in the CIA

Chances are, he was probably tapped for the CIA, but unless his VVAW work was some undercover op - I don't think Kerry is CIA

in everything, just my opinion

Yes, the CIA has been host to more than one atrocities. The Chilean Coup of 9/11/73 comes to mind. The assassination of Arbenz is another.

But I have long since abandoned the 'CIA Secretly Rules the World' conspiracy theory.

JFK was killed by Lee Harvey Oswald, as anti-climactic as that be

RFK was killed by Sirhan Sirhan, as anti-climactic as that be

MLK - we really don't know who killed him. There is so much reasonable doubt about James Earl Ray that I think we will never know. My personal opinion is that it was carried out by small group of Klansmen.

The CIA does have a habit of screwing things up, but if you want an agency with true carte blanche, look to the NSA. They're the ones who have been listening in on all radio, television and phone transmissions world wide. But even then, they are looking for a needle in a haystack. Or rather hay in a needlestack.

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Let me put it this way: when I was in the Peace Corps I did some work with the EPA*. At the time they were searching for sites for superfund cleanup. Many companies deliberately lied about what they did. Outside the US, where there were no rules, corporations did as they pleased, without hindrance. Think Bhopal.

My friends in the EPA told me that it was not a conspiracy, per se, but many cases of corporations not following any regulations, and leaving the result for the locals to tend with. I saw this happen regularly in Thailand.

There was a "river" in Khon Kaen, where I lived, that had an artificial blue color to it. Kids would swim in it because they knew there were no Liver Flukes in it. Of course, that was because it was so toxic, NOTHING could live in it. When asked where the pollution came from, they would just point to the chemical companies doing work there.

They just dumped randomly, without care for the results.

This was common.

It is not a conspiracy, unfortunately.

I say unfortunately because if it were conspiracy, we could find the bastards and go after them. No, it is a world-wide laxing (or plain disregard) for any environmental safety standards. And when shit happens, it happens.



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* The EPA was not doing any superfund activity in Thailand, but I was researching what they did, as to suggest to the local Thai authorities. As you might guess, this went nowhere.

Some say they are the top of the line members of the New World Order.

It's not orderly at all - in fact the left hands never know what the right hands are doing

and took a lot of shit for that fact.

I can understand his capitulation in Ohio as a strike against him

But I've never bought the Skull and Bones = Evil meme

Skull and Bones is a recruiting arm for the CIA, nothing more

Not all Bonesmen decide to go into the CIA

Some do

Some don't

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It's hard to see him winning the primary, however.

nt.

I think the perfect Dem candidate for 2016 would come from outside the Obama administration and D.C. in general (i.e. no one from Congress, and no former govs who took jobs in the administration.) O'Malley fits the bill to a tee.

Mind you, it's not that I think the Obama administration will be foundering by 2016. It's just that voters like a change.

so many like to call 'McGramps'?

John McCain was about 72 in 2008, and some here said he was too old then - and even now suggesting he retire.

If one is too old at 72, the other is too old at 73.

Obviously, I opposed McCain for other reasons but I have been against presidential candidates over the age of 65 since Reagan (and I was a kid then).

Does it really freaking matter anymore who sits in the Whitehouse?

I don't even know anymore except that I will never, ever, EVER vote for a repuke.

Sorry, but the profound wrongness of your post has caused me to bash my head against the wall. A Republican president for the last three years would have been a freaking trainwreck for the country.

I didn't ever wish for a republican president. I hate republicans. What the Hell are you talking about?

At the moment I'm jaded and frustrated as Hell, SO what!

You deserve an honest answer

Unfortunately, I can't give that to you

Kerry has more intelligence and integrity in his little finger than the entire pathetic republican field has in their whole ugly bodies! Think of it in terms of individual contests:

Who is better, Kerry or Bachmann?

Who is better, Kerry or Palin?

Who is better, Kerry or Giuliani?

Who is better, Kerry or Perry?

Who is better, Kerry or Romney?

Who is better, Kerry or Gingrich?

All of these questions have the exact same answer: "Duh! Kerry."

But............

I'll support him if he's the nominee, of course, but I think the party will likely go with someone younger.

Seriously, let me know. I worked on his campaign and I was never clear on that. He certainly would have been better than Bush, but he was a lousy campaigner.

Republicans have put forth some older nominees--Other than shrub, Nixon, and Goldwater, all of their nominees since at least Eisenhower have been in their 60s or 70s. But other than Truman in his re-election bid and FDR running for his fourth term, Kerry was the oldest Democratic nominee since (I think) Samuel Tilden in 1876.

Democrats rarely nominated anyone over age 60. We keep waiting for Bobby to return... Clinton & Obama merely being fashion-savvy reincarnations of Bobby (both elected in their mid-40s). I reckon the next nominee will be between 45 & 53 years of age and will run on concrete themes like "hope" and "honesty" and "staying true to our values as Americans" or some variation thereof.

How old will Clair McCaskle be in 2016? I think she's spot on, although I bet we go for a governor instead that year. It's hard to see it now, but I fear we'll be talking about "Obama fatigue" around 2015. We're too fickle as a people to swoon over any single pol for too long. I love Joe Biden, but I'll bet his inevitable campaign in 2016 won't take off.

We deserved them instead of Bush.

I'll take either one of them back in a heartbeat.

opportunity our nation endured because of voter theft.

god knows how much better our country would be today

....not gonna happen, wouldn't be prudent....

I love John Kerry.

I think he would have made a good US President.

Terrible candidate.

Boring. As. Hell.

Rich. As. Croesus.

I went door to door for him and spent HOURS on the phone. I was remembering the John Kerry that chaired the "October Suprise" hearings in the Senate.

Evidently, he changed and I did not know it.

many who have run for it, but he's not going to run again, so there's no point in tilting at windmills.