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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:40 AM
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Sad truth is...no matter what happens to me and mine or you and yours
whether we are left unemployed, homeless, without insurance, hungry...even though we did our civic duty and voted...the one fact remains.

When we decide that we want to "unemploy" someone in Congress...or the President...they will sail away on a Golden Parachute provided by us.

I am increasingly having a hard time justifying why when the ordinary citizens of this country are steadily losing earned benefits, their retirement, and other perks that our employers used to give us...why we haven't had a serious bipartisan discussion on WHY we are paying OUR employees retirement, insurance, and other perks that we no longer receive ourselves. It is time to cut these parasites off. They are bleeding us dry.

I had a conversation with a kid today who was trying to decide what she was going to do in the future. What kind of jobs were out there. I looked up on the internet the types of jobs that are projected in the next few years and it was fucking depressing. It consisted of a bunch of low paying service jobs. It was depressing to tell an 18-year old that her future was pretty grim and to feel lucky if she could make $10/hour.

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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:43 AM
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1. "In a mature society "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master."" -RA Heinlein
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:47 AM
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2. members of Congress and the President were all ordinary citizens once
Your prospect is made ludicrous when you compare the compensation of Congress to that of any Wall Street Hedge Fund douchebag.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 01:54 AM
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3. We don't directly pay Wall Street's salary
We do directly pay the salary of Congress.

The syntax of your insult is out of whack.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:00 AM
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4. Oh and we don't bail them out either I guess. Whose dollars did we use for that?
How many more mountains of money do you want to give in tax breaks to Exxon/Mobil? Goldman Sachs? And CEO of GE, didn't they get a rebate? How much is his golden parachute? Where did they get that dough?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:04 AM
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7. I said directly
It is only because THESE congresscretins are paying off their campaign contributors that they are receiving money...we aren't obligated to pay them.

Constitutionally, we are forced to pay the salary of congress and president.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:13 AM
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12. Directly from my taxed hand to their untaxed bank account. How is that not direct?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:17 AM
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14. I know what you are saying...I don't think you know what I am saying
I agree with your sentiment...100%...but that wasn't my argument.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 09:49 AM
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17. I'm sorry.
:(
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Ice Number Nine Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:02 AM
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5. and they don't really make that much in relation to the responsibility they hold. That's the point.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:04 AM
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8. And they are doing an utterly miserable job dealing with their responsibilities..
That's the point the OP is making.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:06 AM
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9. Yeah...they really do. And if we are stooping to cutting off the heat for old people
then all that bloated excess in salary and perks that these leaches make does and should count.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:03 AM
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6. And as your post admits, those politicians are not ordinary citizens now..
Not to mention that it's thanks to the politicians that the Wall Street douchenozzles are able to rake in the lucre at a literally astronomical rate.

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Dept of Beer Donating Member (957 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:06 AM
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10. Are you comparing members of Congress and Wallstreet Execs?

Good job. They both seem to be working for each other.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:08 AM
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11. I have no problem with ex Presidents receiving a healthy paycheck from us.
It is the lucritive book deals with $20 million advances. It is giving speaches for $200,000.00 a speach. It is sitting on Boards of Directors for a few minutes a month and getting $40,000.00 a year. It is all the deals. Most ex-presidents make a lot of money after they leave office. The real golden parachute is provided by big corporations.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:15 AM
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13. I do think we need to eliminate all retirement benefits for congress, senate, and president.
They make enough money as it is - they don't need a lifetime stipend (at minimum 3x the national average wage) for life just because they served a few years in the government.

Considering the book deals, corporate boards, think tanks, lobbying firms, and other things that they easily get involved with, there's no reason for any kind of permanent pay for them.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 02:18 AM
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15. Thank you.Me either. n/t
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-07-11 03:21 AM
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16. This Would be a Good Proposal for the Debt Ceiling Deal
If Republicans are serious, they should jump all over it. Since they want to include Social Security, no reason current pensioners should be exempt.
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