O... M... G... 'Obama’s Political, Economic Advisers Say Jobless Rate Won’t Matter in 2012' - FDL

Obama’s Political, Economic Advisers Say Jobless Rate Won’t Matter in 2012
By: Scarecrow - FDL
Thursday July 7, 2011 5:47 am

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I’ve always thought the pent up anger at George Bush and the frustration from the Bush years would have allowed Daisy Duck or the Chipmunks to win the Presidency in 2008. So the trick was to elect someone who understood that anger and was prepared to reverse all the reasons it existed. Sure, the Obama message people understood this, but so did my cat.

Now the people who helped Obama defraud voters by channeling everyone’s hope for change have convinced themselves he won the election because they’re political geniuses. The lastest example of this delusion is Obama’s senior campaign adviser, David Plouffe, who confidently told Bloomberg that going into the 2012 elections with over 8 percent unemployment and no meaningful jobs programs will not hurt Obama’s chances for reelection:



Yes, that’s coming from the White House that just leaked to the Beltway media that Mr. Obama wants a grand bargain with the most clownish political party in America’s memory in which benefits are significantly cut for poor people, sick people, old people, impoverished women and children in exchange for adjusting taxes on hedge funds and the depreciation rates on corporate jets. But Mr. Plouffe’s tone deafness doesn’t end there. More from Bloomberg on Plouffe:

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More: http://my.firedoglake.com/scarecrow/2011/07/07/obamas-political-economic-advisers-say-unemployment-doesnt-matter/

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that was getting really old.

Does Plouffe honestly not understand how the unemployment rate has a direct relation to how people are going to feel about their own personal economic situation? I literally cant understand what hes trying to say here.

They exist only to serve as a divide and conquer fountain of bullshit to try and smear Democrats.

he has the President's ear? Whoa..

He said that it's not about statistics, it's about whether people feel economically secure.

FDL quotes it as "PLOUFFE SAYS UNEMPLOYMENT DOESN'T MATTER, POOR SHOULD EAT CAKE."

>Except that Plouffe said exactly the opposite of what they painted it as.
>He said that it's not about statistics, it's about whether people feel economically secure.
>FDL quotes it as "PLOUFFE SAYS UNEMPLOYMENT DOESN'T MATTER, POOR SHOULD EAT CAKE."

Really? Is that what you saw FDL?

I don't have an ax to grind here, but what you wrote is incredibly inaccurate and misleading.

THIS is the EXACT headline:

"Obama’s Political, Economic Advisers Say Jobless Rate Won’t Matter in 2012"

And that's because that's pretty much what Plouffe said in the exact quote given in the article:

“The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said. “People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”

That's the exact quote in the article.

I read that pretty simply and clearly: there will be enough secure, working people voting for Obama not to worry about the unemployed.

It could also be something like "people don't vote based on GDP or unemployment statistics."

I personally feel that unemployment continues to be a major issue and worry for the citizens of this country.

BTW, I am unemployed (99'er), and I will definitely be voting.

Plouffe's point was that people vote based on how they feel about their situation, not about obscure statistics and percentages.

FDL tried to spin that as Plouffe saying that the economy doesn't matter. It's a classic smear tactic.

wouldn't matter because we wouldn't be here. You know, December, 2012, and the end of life as we know it.

Oh, okay, so it's because we'll all be thinking "my family is doing great and I still have a job (doesn't pay much, but still a job), screw those others and I don't see homeless people if I drive very fast." Gee, that sounds kind of sociopathic rethugish.

It's strange how much it gets referenced on DU. :)

for as long as FDL has existed. :shrug: And that should be differant now why??

It could just be my imagination. :)

out. Things are changing

And she is a known ally of Grover Norquist.

and he has certainly been working hard for the Republicans since taking office.

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But i am beginning to like her.

:)

Kinda walked into that one, didn't he/she?

over and over and over again. :eyes:

However, the article in question wasn't written by Hamsher, it was written by "scarecrow".

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You should. She works as a paid media consultant for Republican political candidates, in order to try and get them elected in place of Democrats.

http://rootedcosmopolitan.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/jane-hamsher-republican-consultant/

for his bullying.

BTW - You conveniently forgot to mention that Jane also works for RawStory, MyDD, Crooks & Liars, and dozen of other Liberal Websites. It's her business... she gets to earn a living...

Or are you against that?

:shrug:

"A political hack is a negative term ascribed to a person who is part of the political party apparatus, but whose intentions are more aligned with victory than personal conviction. The term "hired gun" is often used in tandem to further describe the moral bankruptcy of the "hack"."

"Political hack may also be used by a political opponent in order to erode confidence or credentials of an opponent or his hired campaign help. Often used to demean well credentialed individuals for political purposes."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_hack

Self-Destructive, Anonymous Daily Kos Front Page Loser of the Moment: 'DHinMI' (Dana Houle)
BRAD BLOG an 'Irresponsible Nutter Site' Doing the Cause of Election Integrity 'Far More Harm Than Good', According to Irresponsible, Evidence-Free Comment Posted by Front-Page Diarist at Once-Prestigous Blogsite...

UPDATE: The Daily Kos Swiftboater 'DHinMI' is Actually Dana Houle, Recently Resigned Chief of Staff of Rush Holt/Steny Hoyer Supporter, NH's U.S. Rep Paul Hodes

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Link: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5702

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That may not make you a Republican supporter, but it does make one wonder how much fluffing has gone on in your head.

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My apologies Ms. Poop.

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You can call me Moose. :hi:

Ms. Poop is fine, too. ;)

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Doesn't matter if he said it to Fox or Rolling Stone or Cat Fancy magazine. His moronic statement is the issue, not the media outlet that reported it.

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By Julianna Goldman -
Thu Jul 07 04:01:00 GMT 2011

The White House’s top political adviser, downplaying the significance of the unemployment rate in the 2012 election, said the Republican candidates are offering the same policies that caused the economic crisis and targeted one potential opponent -- Mitt Romney.

“So all of them are basically just bringing out the same old war horses,” senior adviser David Plouffe said yesterday at a Bloomberg Breakfast in Washington. “Let Wall Street kind of run amok, cut taxes for the wealthy, starve investment in things like education, research and development.”

Plouffe, who ran Obama’s 2008 presidential campaign, previewed the arguments the president and his team will sound 16 months before an election that could be a referendum on Obama’s handling of the economy. While history has shown the unemployment rate to be a leading indicator of an incumbent’s success, Plouffe said Americans won’t base their votes on it.

“The average American does not view the economy through the prism of GDP or unemployment rates or even monthly jobs numbers,” Plouffe said. “People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-07/unemployment-rate-won-t-hobble-re-election-david-plouffe-says.html

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To quote a poster on these boards:
They just don't care.

They are fucking clueless.

And we need to MAKE it matter to the Dems, that's for DAMN sure.

It is like they want this recession to keep going so they can use it to destroy this country.

And most people, if they're paying attention to Obama's economic policies and appointees, will say "hell no."

the Real unemployment rate is so high that it does effect the rest of us. Every Living Wage Job lost, either public or private, just makes things worse. They are using the recession and tight money to lay off public sector employes. These people suddenly lose their discretionary spending. Local business profits go down, so taxes go down. Less money for government to operate, so the government cut more public sector employees, business cut back - more jobs lost. And around and around the drain we go.

The only way we can recover is to get our Living Wage Jobs back into this country. Living Wage Jobs are what drives a healthy economy.

That's the same reason people making under $20K per year got a tax *increase*.

They know such people tend to vote in lower numbers than other financial demographics.

I say a bumper sticker:
"Re-Elect No One: Throw All the Sorry Bastards Out"


I live in a red state and I'm really beginning to think I'd like one of those.

“People won’t vote based on the unemployment rate, they’re going to vote based on: ‘How do I feel about my own situation? Do I believe the president makes decisions based on me and my family?’”

My sister, now unemployed for almost two years, might feel the unemployment issue is an important one. :crazy:

Besides, O's refusal to address the unemployment rate is directly linked to how people feel about their own situation, and whether or not the President makes decisions based on them and their family.

Good god, are they really that stupid???

Or fill your own adjective in ...

named John Chandley aka Scarecrow.

Maybe we should ban dKOS too. There are plenty of individual diarists with POV's and dubious operative sources I bet and agendas that surely some won't agree with. Let's ban DKOS. Let's ban TPM. Let's ban Salon. Let's ban Politico. Let's ban WAPO and the NYT. Let's ban Tiabbi. Let's ban Greenwald. Let's ban Krugman. Let's ban Sirota. Let's ban Jeremy Scahill. Let's ban the ACLU. They never really loved him. yada yada yada

.... where he goes horribly wrong is that he is vastly underestimating the number of people who are directly in dire straits because of the economy, have family who are, or who are very concerned about falling into the abyss themselves.

People in these categories make up a huge percentage of the population. If he thinks they are going to forget that Obama has had 3 years and has done nearly nothing, he is stupid.

It's true that on some level, people don't so much care about the actual jobless number, but what they do care about is whether they and their family/friends/neighbors have a job. Those two things are related. :eyes:

I know far too many people who are unemployed, underemployed, or shit-scared of losing the job they have. I recently interviewed for a job that won't pay much more than I made 25 years ago but my husband and I are out of work and have had no health benefits for several months. I'll take the lousy pay to get my foot in the door and get some decent bennies, which this job does have.

It's the voters, stupid, and jobs and healthcare and security nets matter.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2011/07/07/is_there_a_magic_number.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PoliticalWire+%28Political+Wire%29

As we have seen time and again, polls show most Americans blame Bush II for the economy, not Pres. Obama.

helps. If you close your eyes, you won't see the words. click away click away

It was always somebody else's fault, but not their man. What purulent assholes.

What hypocritical assholes.

And rightly so.

creation. He's living in a fantasy-land if he thinks the unemployment rate isn't going to hurt him at the polls.

People can see their loved ones losing their homes, struggling to make ends meet, searching and not finding jobs and if Obama thinks he can win reelection while the electorate is still seeing that he's sadly mistaken.

Americans are not so stupid as to expect the nearly ten million jobs lost during eight years of BushCo to magically reappear in three years.

official numbers because they're no longer eligible for unemployment are not going to be giving Obama great job performance numbers.

Americans do not blame Pres. Obama for the state of the economy so much as Bush II.

If you are not taking unemployment, you are not counted. They stopped the extended unemployment payments. That cut the number of unemployed counted right there.
AND that is not even taken in consideration the under employed. For instance, the people with masters degrees stocking shelves. Educated adults with 20to 30 years experience and collage degrees should not be in competition with teenagers and collage students for entry level jobs. Talk to some of those people why don't you?

The metric used to count unemployed and underemployed is quite accurate, and counts both those that no longer collect unemployment insurance, and those who are underemployed.

U3 vs U6

15.8 is an ugly number to have flying around.

http://portalseven.com/employment/unemployment_rate_u6.jsp

When in reality it should be in the high teens to lower 20%?

The metrics may be quite accurate, but the government reporting is not.

boasting about does not count those who are no longer collecting unemployment. It also doesn't count those who would like a full time job but are instead working a part time job. They are counted as "employed" even if they underemployed.

You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. The number that count those who are not collecting unemployment is not the number you're touting. You're just flat out wrong.

and both polls asked what was my main priority and my response was decent paying jobs.

that would certainly make people forget about the jobless rate for a little while.

3-4 weeks ago and he was talking about the lack of jobs and people still hurting and falling behind under a democratic President, and how it could hurt democrats in 2012. :wtf:

Jeebus, talk about tone deaf in the WH. Jeebus again. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Got any more fantasy conclusion based on a couple of observations by a White House aide?

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David Plouffe.

NO. My dad and the other seniors in my family are barely scraping by on SS and VA, and it gets harder for them every year without the COLAS. Suspending the COLAS is, for all intents and purposes the same as cutting bennies.

Not to mention the current proposal raises the retirement age to well past one's productive years, so not only will I get to spend a few years as a WalMart greeter, I will probably also only get to enjoy 4 or 5 years of retirement before I die.

Tell your boss: thanks for nothing.

Bunch of cheese dicks.......

on a weekly if not daily basis...

Link: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/170117-plouffe-americans-wont-vote-on-unemployment-rate

Link: http://www.thenation.com/blog/161863/unemployment-spikes-obamas-got-bigger-problem-debt-ceiling

Link: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/mitt-romney-dings-obama-advisor-for-downplaying-jobs-numbers.php

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Once again these guys have their heads so far up the beltway ass they might as well be residing on Mars. What part of, "It's the jobs, stupid!" don't they get?