how much is too much? And when will the working class push back?

I'm amazed that the 2%ers can con the mass majority of the people to sacrifice....ah never mind, fuck it! If we don't wise up and take it back we deserve what we get!

for nothin' left to lose.

--Kris Kristofferson

TRUE SO TRUE :fistbump:

"No hope? See, that's what gives me guts."

Wisconsin comes to mind. The working class recalled six state senators.

But let's wait and see if the recall elections are stolen...

And with what went on with the state SC election, I don't have much hope for the recall elections. Or any elections for that matter.

aren't closely interested in the goings on in Washington (most of the people I know come to mind, sadly).

For the umpteenth time, our messaging sucks, and saying "we need to" does no good. I want to shake them sometimes.

But I think that's what the problem is -- not realizing that we've been cut out of the equation. They think it will all get worked out by the powers that be. That it's just politics as usual.

THE NEW CIVIL WAR WILL BE THE RICH AGAINST THE POOR AND MIDDLE CLASS

I live in a very Red, Southern, bible belt state. Many if not most of my friends are Republican if not in name at least on election day, they over and over vote for conservative bible- thumping candidates who don't care about them in the least. They will vote for the politicians who will cut their Social Security, and Medicare gladly allow tax cuts for the top 2% of the population still believing in "trickle down economics". They believe everything Fox, Limbaugh, Palin, Glenn, and Bachmann say, they buy it hook, line and sinker. They feel everyone on Medicaid, food stamps, or any form of welfare are laze bums cheating them out of their hard earned money. They feel it is not their part to "PAY for someone else's healthcare" although few have never gone for any length of time without insurance so they don't know what it is like to loose everything you own because of an accident or disease.
BUT... they KNOW what is REALLY IMPORTANT. No gay marriage, creationism taught in school, prayer in schools, kick out immigrants and no abortion! Nothing else matters!

The one question they always have problems answering is "WWJD- What would jesus do" They seem to forget jesus taught to "care for the least of these", "love your brother", and "it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle", "if a man takes your coat give him your shirt too", "turn the other cheek", and "render unto Cesar that which is Cesar's". They also take great care to make sure every zygote is born into a living baby (I respect that, I hate abortion too, although I feel it is a woman's choice), but once the Doctor slaps the child on the butt and it starts crying they start complaining how it isn't their job to help care for the child and want to cut any food, medical or housing assistance for the child and mother.

The best word for many are hypocrites. If jesus was the son of god (which I don't believe, or in any god for that matter). He most certainly be a socialist, or at the very least a liberal. They should read that bible they so proudly carry under their arms every Sunday.

I apologize if I have offended liberal Christians, I know there are some who are great people, they believe in what christ said and it show in their daily actions, I just haven't known many.

As long as we are angry, we still think we can change things with words and votes.

YOU CANNOT CHANGE THINGS WITH VOTES !!!!!

So what happened?

The organized Left in the US let itself die, as did unions, etc.

There's been nothing for people to do but vote in elections

:shrug:

That's exactly how I felt when I voted for Obama in 08, but was so disgusted by a the democratic congress that couldn't or wouldn't get anything done. Now I am starting to lose "hope".

or figure out that they are being played for votes.

Likely why half the eligible voters don't vote