Do you trust Barack Obama to do the right thing with SS, Medicare and Medicaid?

and if it results in the dismantling of billions from the entitlement programs, and the payroll funded SS program, then there will be protests, and I think they will be rather large.

Mine's not. He continues to be exactly what I expected him to be. At least I can't say I'm disappointed in him, no matter how low he sinks.

I TRUST MY CATS WILL PAY THE BILLS TO :sarcasm:

:-)

with progressives on this site. But if Social Security and Medicare are on the table and removal of tax breaks for the rich and corporations is not on the table, I can't support any agreement that is reached by the White House.

...saying 'to do the right thing' isn't like saying 'colorless green ideas sleep furiously'.

There are well-formed utterances that don't actually possess meaning.

If that happens, I will happily (or angrily or whatever) grab my metaphorical pitchfork and torches and join the peasant revolt.

removal of tax hideouts and breaks for the rich is not, I will have my small scale Fredo betrayal moment. SS and MC being cut with the rich happily keeping their excessive tax breaks is beyond acceptable.

It's too bad. I was really looking forward to his presidency but after 8 years of BushCo, it's just been insult to injury on so many issues I've lost track.

no.
I do not trust him.
I do not trust him anymore.

Will it be popular? No.

He seems to have this burning need to work with and make sure the republicans approve of what he does.

I don't know who he is anymore. Sadly, before he was given a chance in hell of winning the Dem nomination for 2008, I was a very vocal advocate against him. He was too in bed with Big Coal, too cozy with Wall Street. A search on DU should bring up my posts and Journal articles. But then, for some reason, I "came around," and began supporting him. I should have trusted my first instincts...he's just another corporatist.

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he's making a terrible mistake ignoring his base and trying to shift to the center.

AND A SWING TO THE RIGHT

He's proven himself very good at maneuvering right-wing economic policies into positions from which he just has "no choice" but to accept it.

He just pissed of 88 MILLION Boomers!!! I've been sleeping all day (days and nights are mixed up) and just woke up to this. Words can't even express. Apparently, we voted in a Republican. This slime bucket needs a challenger and Democratic PARTY be damned! We need to get one in DESPITE them. ANYBODY would be better than this bozo. :mad:

of me with all three.

thinks at this point that Obama's doing pretty good, although both he and Jared Bernstein expressed concern about Medicare, which no one seems to be paying attention to. Don't know if they were saying they think Obama may be too brutal with that, or just that it's not getting its share of the spotlight.

pay way, way more for health care. People in civilized countries would scream BLOODY MURDER if you put them on Medicare - the coverage SUCKS. It takes way too much money out of the pockets of people who can ill afford it. The co-pays, co-insurance, deductibles are ridiculous.
Yeah, it's better than nothing, but people in the rest of the developed world would not stand for it.

it correctly, the House will not support ANY cuts to the BENEFITS. (Pelosi and Dean made the distinction today so now I get it.)

And, Rachel just said what was out there yesterday (WaPo, etc) was a WH trial balloon, and the WH couldn't help but hear it loud and clear, so I haven't given up hope yet.

Other civilized nations would scream blood murder if half the shit we put up with was imposed on them by their governments. We just went along for so long believing and assuming we were the Greatest Country In The World, but now when you look around, you see how far we lag behind in SO MANY areas!

That's my (hazy) recollection, and also in accord with my generally POSITIVE opinion of Obama. But I'll have to Google carefully to confirm it.

SS, Medicare and Medicaid were considered practically untouchable. Even during the Bush years.

Now, they're VERY touchable.

"It took Nixon to go to China." It will take a "Democrat" (wink wink) to cut social security and Medicare.

from a while back.... It took a "democrat" to reform welfare too. Sigh

:-(

So far when given the choice between doing the right thing and the wrong thing he has almost always done the wrong thing.

Notice anything?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9052609
Quotes on Obama's new rug; Oval Office Decor in History

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/gallery/2010/08/31/GA2010083103664.html

The following five excerpts were handpicked by Obama to be stitched on the perimeter of the rug:

"Government of the people, by the people, and for the people"
-- Abraham Lincoln's Gettysburg Address (Nov. 19, 1863)

"No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings"
-- John F. Kennedy's American University speech (June 10, 1963)

"The welfare of each of us is dependent fundamentally on the welfare of all of us"
-- Theodore Roosevelt's state-fair speech in Syracuse, N.Y. (Sept. 7, 1903)

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"
-- Franklin D. Roosevelt's inaugural speech (March 4, 1933)

"The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice"
-- Martin Luther King's address to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (Aug. 16, 1967)

and a few words on a rug won't make up for it......

to believe in what people do, and not what they say if the two things don't agree with each other.

And I am disappointed with most of the democrats that are in a tizzy all over the internet on democratic websites including this one.

concerned about what President Obama will agree to in an ill informed attempt at bipartisanship in the face of unrelenting hostility from the republican party. If President Obama agrees to an unacceptable deal, democrats in the House and Senate should abandon him during votes on bills that are forwarded under the agreements that are reached.

But maybe he'll surprise me.

If not, I'll save donations for those who do the most satisfying job of getting in his way.

because undoing Obama's destruction may be harder than undoing Shrub's mess.

Obama had a mandate to clean up the BS of Bush. Even if we could successfully primary Obama and win with another candidate, if Obama messes up SS, medicare and medicaid it might be tough to fix.
2008's mandate was an opportunity squandered.

.. and there are gonna be some pretty hefty helpings of Crow that will have to be eaten.

I HOPE I'M EATING CROW I LOVES ME SOME CROW :toast:

He has said it is on the table. What have the rethugs put on the table. IMHO this is a ploy to show how he is willing to open a discussion but the rethugs just won't even consider tax increases.

I hope I am not wrong.

no, I don't. But aside from that, the thing that is so revolting in this process is his disrespectful fear mongering and lack of communication to our elders. This is not the way to talk about these things, not at all. He should be serving the people most involved in those programs with his actions and also in the ways the politics about them are done. He is like some wise ass teenager prank calling Grandma.

i`ve been in a lot of waiting rooms in the last few years and that`s the way i see it. hell i`m 64 and i`m afraid of what the hell is going on. next year medicare is going to take a big chunk of my social security. it`s getting to the point where my wife, who is 8 yrs younger than me, and i should divorce for the economics of her retirement . now that is how fucked up things are in this country.

知っていない。　

if my wife loses her job or becomes ill we are out on the street. maybe one of our kids will l buy our home and we`ll live with them.

and of course, i`d never, ever,ever trust a republican

What I don't trust are people who think a knife in the back is good for pushing their case. They're not trustworthy.
Thanks for asking.

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this is not the rw noise machine. if you've noticed, they NEVER turn on one of their own. they stand by those fuckers till their dying day, not matter how bad they are. Discernment is not their middle name.

however, on DU we actually think for ourselves, hence the divide. lots of us do not feel that obama is measuring up, but not for the same reasons as the wingers!

i have lost trust.

Apparently, I'm NOT in that category! (sigh!)

PS: Do you consider Beck, Hannity, the Teabaggers, and all others of that breed to be insignificant "outliers" of the RW Noise Machine?

because of frozen SS and retirement income. Add the increase in health, auto and home insurance; the "non-existent" inflation on food, utilities and essentials like food for the dog (no inflation, that's the biggest lie yet from the government and administration); the zero rate on what little savings we're able to put aside in case one of us gets real sick, and now we know the President will compromise to the tune of $4 trillion in cuts - and it ain't going to come from defense, bet on that, it will come from SS, Medicare, Medicaid and every other social program - with $1 trillion in hocus-pocus tax "revenues" from the poor wealthy people.

Trust President Obama, his WH advisors and congress? Nope!

:kick: & Rec!!!

were extended. I knew then there would be a big deal over what to cut. And I knew then that these securities for the people would be on the chopping block.

We all knew we couldn't afford the bush-Obama tax cuts. We all knew then what would go.

he let's the repugs take him exactly where he plans on going. x(

*sigh*

He's like GWB's more-capable charismatic evil twin. Smile, act suave, say the right thing...then do exactly what Dubya would have done.

He is Satan.

..and act surprised when it is hacked off.

I don't trust him to actually be effective about protecting them, given what we've seen in the past when he's had showdowns with Republicans.

but I have my doubts.

In NC, trust is earned by your actions and your results, not by your words. Given how Obama and Dems in Congress dealt with HCR, extension of Bush tax cuts, financial reform, torture and other human rights issues, and more, why should we trust any of them, with a few notable exceptions?

Obama began his campaign by clearly stating that Boomers were the problem, that we kept fighting the same fights and refused to move on. A year later, his praise of Reagan seemed genuine to me and was the final straw. Those old battles in the 60's were for issues that define the Democratic Party -- civil and human rights, workplace issues, education, energy, environment, poverty, health, ... -- and the reason we kept fighting them over and over is because those who opposed us in the 60's have not gone away and have not given up.

See my journal back then for a couple of big rants.

That set off a lot of warning bells right there.