If everybody withholds their vote due to Social Security, they are then free to cut food stamps.

..at least the "fascist" soda wouldn't kill you.

But you are doing your Country a great disservice by encouraging others to do the same.

regardless of who is voted in. It just doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

Perhaps the whole thing has to collapse before people understand. I don't know what will work before a collapse. Many people vote against their own self-interest and many elected politicians seem to do what the wealthy and corporations want instead of what the people who elected them want.

So, it doesn't look good no matter who votes.

Just like Connecticut did to Lieberdickweed in 2006. Or Arkansas tried to do to Blanche Tyson-WalMart in 2008, but mysteriously found all but 2 polling places closed.

Instead of trying overused negative emotions that people don't respond to anymore.

Huffington Post were gloating about Democratic losses.

Your own post is all the evidence I need that we need to take anonymous posters with a mine full of salt.

look where it's gotten us...a supposed Democratic president willing to sacrifice America's most vulnerable at the same time he gives a nod of approval to spending trillions on some 6 different wars.. ..

But, honestly...I'm tired, too. Not of the "lesser of two evils" game, but of trying to convice others to vote. I know many of those that say they won't vote "this time" probably never voted, anyway. I'm too old to waste my precious time on people who don't give a damn.

I will continue to brainwash those that I know do vote. The rest can do what they want and then whine about the outcome.

Oh NOEEEES!

2. Even if you do, I don't believe you want to change anything.

I'll just can all the fucking peas I can grow, give those away and eat something else.

Frog meet pot.

And what makes you think that this administration won't do that too? If it puts SS on the table then nothing is safe, except for the fortunes of the wealthy.

was president and looking to privatize it. I was confident the Democrats would NEVER let that happen. Now? Not so much. I also had more hope then--I was sure that Bush and his warmonger torture fetish friends would get prosecuted for war crimes once the Democrats got in power. Well, we know what happened there. I used to get stressed out whenever he spoke and yell at the radio (that hasn't changed). At the time I didn't think things could get any worse. Go figure. Life has a habit of exceeding expectations.


This whole looking forward thing is over rated. Instead of it being hopeful, it is quite terrifying.

The program already can't keep up, reduction to pre-stimulus levels will swamp it, continued structural unemployment, reduced wages, and a weakened safety net will drown it.

A party that cannot stand firm on Social Security won't do shit about the hungry poor other than maybe arrange a drug test. Hell, all that is required with even the best intentions is a crisis and after they've picked the bones will be a demand.

Not only are we negotiating with terrorists but our negotiators are dedicated to a no less than 50% terrorist favorable solution before the ransom note ever comes.

Nope, no dice for me. If they want food riots and full scale societal breakdown then they will bring us there at some point and playing out the charade only delays an eventuality.

after we've already given away the store in preparation isn't a believable pitch.

Are you trying for "We'll fix it later" 421 (Honors) or something.

There is no standing later, there won't be legs or a pot to piss in nor anything much worth fighting for later.This is bullshit, our party has stood firm on Social Security in far worse positions.

The deal now is mis-management and willful destruction via the Turd Way.

Turd Way politics are about moving center but it is exclusively to the corporate right.

to your post absolutely sends chills down my spine. The number of "progressives" willing to let even a tea-party kook win because they prefer to stay at home and pout on election day is astonishing. ...and, I might say...rather childish.

The majority of this country is in the political center, but some would rather see the far right get a free pass because the president is not as far to the left as they are! Wow!

:shrug:

If Obama caves on SS, he will cave on anything. And he will deserve the results.

The rest of us will not deserve what happens; but there is no reason to vote for someone who caves on the basics; and I will not.

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If you move slowly toward the fire, you will still end up in the fire. As long as people are willing to sell their principles just for a short term win, no one will ever move away from the fire.

Instead of being afraid of bogey men (who are only insignificantly more bogey) you need to worry about the fire.

The "pragmatists" harp on the purists who don't want to compromise. The real pragmatists, the ones who do realize the outcome of always, always, always selling out, are the purists.

When you got married, did you take what seemed like the best of a bad group or did you keep searching for one who really shared your life? THe need for a quick fuck can damn you to a life of slow misery and never ending gloom. Your life won't get better until you suck it up and go after the right thing.

Apply that to careers, art, even war. Sometimes you need to take a step back in order to get where you want to go.

I think one step forward and two steps back is a losing proposition. Continually electing candidates who will not take three steps because they know you don't want a step back president will end in everybody being burned.

Conservacrats, blue-dogs, and third-way Democrats have to believe that they will not be reelectd if they don't fight for our goals. If they think they have you in their back pocket, there is nothing to motivate them to do the difficult thing. Their campaign strategy is simple. Vote for me even if I rarely do what you want because I have a D by my name and the other guy is terrible. If we fall for that, we will never move from the fire.

Yes. Yes. I know the old, old argument. If you don't vote for every Democrat, all the time, a republican will get in office.

True enough. But if you elect one-step-back republicans in Democratic clothing, you will end up in the same place. A little slower, but just as assuredly.

You see. The issue isn't just Democrats and republicans. It used to be. It used to be that you could count on the Democratic candidate to support and vote and enact the traditional Democratic goals. Now we have half the party saying, "Well, you know, maybe a little union bashing, and a little school privatization isn't bad. Maybe we should keep on with that wire tapping stuff. Maybe we want the make friends with the richest people and give them what they want so they will help us get elected." So Democrats aren't being Democrats at all.

Take schools. Had the corpse and the tart won the last election, I have no doubt that they would have tried to up the ante on NCLB and to start doling out more education funds to corporate interests. The difference here is that had they tried, the entirety of the Democratic party and 100% of DU would have fought them tooth and nail. The Democrats would have united and stopped this travesty. But instead, because a Democratic administration is pushing this, the elected Democrats are mostly going along, even though the Race to the Top is a hit list straight from the neocon manifesto. There is no doubt that schools would have been better off. They wouldn't have been fixed, but the malevolent influences now stifling American education would have been stopped by the very party that is now pushing it.

Where do you draw a line in the sand? That is not a generic second person pronoun. I mean you. What issues would actually cause you enough pause that you would decide it is time to stop moving the wrong way no matter how slowly?

principles, we could re-energize the Democratic Party and they could pass New New Deal legislation.

As part of the Welfare "Reform" package, he cut food stamp benefits to hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants.

For hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants.

It is looking like SS is going to be cut, perhaps severely, but it will still exist.

Do you follow the point I'm making, or has it done a complete double backflip over your head?

And that if they want their damn jobs back, then they need to start actually behaving like Democrats instead of 'Pugs.

What, I should reward a politician because he is inflicting only slightly less pain than a 'Pug?

What other job out there do we continue to reward failure when it happens over and over again? None. Then why do we continue to reward Democrats over and over again with our vote, as they continue to fail and fail? Perhaps we should stop rewarding them for failure, and only reward them for a job well done. Seems like basic psychology, don't you think?

The fact of the matter is that primaries aren't an option, writing or otherwise contacting your reps is useless, so what is left? Fire the bastards.

wrather depressing.

If the DNC can't or won't excite people to get out and vote, they have a problem. They really can't blame anyone but themselves.

zalinda

Not one of your better zingers imo.

Or the reTHUGs?