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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:14 PM
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Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age As Part Of Grand Debt Deal
According to five separate sources with knowledge of negotiations -- including both Republicans and Democrats -- the president offered an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare, from 65 to 67, in exchange for Republican movement on increasing tax revenues.

The proposal, as discussed, would not go into effect immediately, but rather would be implemented down the road (likely in 2013). The age at which people would be eligible for Medicare benefits would be raised incrementally, not in one fell swoop.

Sources offered varied accounts regarding the seriousness with which the president had discussed raising the Medicare eligibility age. As the White House is fond of saying, nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. And with Republicans having turned down a "grand" deal on the debt ceiling -- which would have included $3 trillion in spending cuts, including entitlement reforms, in exchange for up to $1 trillion in revenues -- it is unclear whether the proposal remains alive.

"That is one of the things they put on the table as part of a big solution," said one senior Republican Hill aide.

"It was considered in the context of the big deal," added a top Democratic source briefed on the deliberations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/obama-medicare-eligibility-age_n_894833.html
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:18 PM
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1. Yep, benefits are going to get cut, we're going to get screwed,
And the rich will laugh all the way to the bank with their tax cuts in their back pocket.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:27 PM
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:26 PM
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2. So, I get to Work till I Die, so his Rich Constituents get what they want
EVERY fucking penny cut is going to harm folks... but demanding a rich fuck to pay their fair share is too much? Fuck that! He's a fraud!!!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:39 PM
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22. IMPORTANT POINT - You most likely wont get to work until you collect SS/Medicare. There are no jobs
and the old timers get cut first.

When they talk about raising the age, it means the age you collect, not the age you get to work until. There are many, many people 55 and over that are looking for work. They would love the chance to work until they die.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:43 PM
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32. Very true. n/t
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:28 PM
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4. i posted this on another thread.
my friend is 66. her husband is 63 and has pre-existing conditions. she's working and paying almost $700 a month for health insurance -- most of it to cover him. if she has to work another 5 years instead of 3 i think she'll have a nervous breakdown.

i'm almost 70 but hubby will be 64 in december. what if he's forced to retire? who's going to insure a 64 year old man? i don't have medicare because right now his employer's coverage is better.

president obama. you have betrayed us.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:31 PM
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6. See post #3, you're just ignorant.
:sarcasm:
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:41 PM
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10. That's the price you pay when working in the private sector. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:47 PM
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11. "That's the price you pay" - apologist ignorance.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:49 PM
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12. Hey, don't hate the player, hate the game. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:49 PM
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13. /ignore
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:50 PM
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14. LOL!!!!! n/t
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:19 PM
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24. I know, right?
Is there anyone left? :rofl:

/ :rofl:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:42 PM
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31. good riddance
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:30 PM
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5. How many will be forced to work until eligible for Medicare
because their employer doesn't offer health insurance when they retire?

How many will be without health insurance because they can't find a job and not old enough for Medicare?
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Shagbark Hickory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:33 PM
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7. Ooooh. That's not good.
How much does Canada want to be a citizen again? Is it $4000?
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:38 PM
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8. Absolutely ridiculous, and it could only come from people who don't really work for a living.
Voting, talking, and vetoing. Oh and swindling.

It sure is a hard life.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:38 PM
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9. I wish Obama would stop trying to give away
the silverware to pay for the food before the people in the soup line get to eat.

Social Security, Medicare and the rest of the safety nets have nothing to do with the deficit.

Two things will:
1. Make everyone pay their fair share of income taxes.
2. Get our Living Wage Jobs back into this country.

If you do not have an adequate income, those safety nets are essential.

Our Constitution mentions providing for the general welfare. The Safety net is therefore Constitutional. Destroying it would then be unconstitutional.
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Ruby the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:01 PM
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17. FDR & LBJ must be spinning in their graves right now
along with the Kennedy brothers.

What has happened to my party???
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:50 PM
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15. Obama should start practicing saying "President Romney"
because he sure will not be re-elected.
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:33 PM
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26. Then it will be time for secession.
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:38 PM
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27. What state(s) would be secessing? nt
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Blasphemer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 04:54 PM
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16. Completely Unacceptable
During the HRC talks, they were a Lieberman away from reducing the age. Since then, they have extended the Bush tax cuts and now are offering to increase the Medicare eligibility age? Completely and utterly unacceptable. There is no way a GOP President could propose such a thing and have single defender around here. It is utterly indefensible for a Democrat to be putting these programs on the chopping block.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:30 PM
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25. +1
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:08 PM
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28. Thank you.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:18 PM
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30. +1
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supraTruth Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:06 PM
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18. Obama should be talking about turning Medicare into a progressive
tax that includes those whose income comes from capital gains, rather than raising Medicare age requirement.

Why do we Democrats allow him & the media to never mention this?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:20 PM
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19. FIVE SOURCES!!!! OMFG!!! ELEVENS!!!1111!!!!
This train is never late.
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21st Century FDR Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:24 PM
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20. Medicare Eligibility should be LOWERED, not raised.
Lowered to the age of -9 months, to be exact.

Stop wasting billions on a failed predatory capitalist "Health insurance" system.

Everybody in, everybody covered. One huge pool to keep the costs down. No greedy pigs taking 30% off the top to build mansions.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:36 PM
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21. I have an idea. Let him and Congress get Medicare as
their only health insurance. Watch how quickly they drop trying to undermine it.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:43 PM
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23. I sure hope that's not true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:16 PM
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29. One President, a few hundred Senators and Representatives, and nine
judges - all but nine holding elected office, all working to screw the majority of 300 million people.

And the saddest part of all - we will reelect most of them.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:44 PM
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33. Who are the five sources?
Simple question.
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