I told my sister and her husband before the election in 2008 that,

"I'm afraid that if Obama is elected he will cut social security and medicare" and they told me then, that I was crazy. Today they called me and said they were sorry they both argued that I was wrong in 2008. They are not any happier than I am that I was right. They spent hours on the phone and going to rally after rally searching for votes for Mr. Obama. Hauled people out to vote on election day in 2008. They are heartbroken and demoralized. I am too.

for Democrats

ask the people in Wisconsin how they feel.

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Low turnout favors R's, on record with actually, FOR REAL wanting to do away with SS and Medicare and keeping money in the pockets of the rich.

If people are fooled again into defaulting it to the Repubs, it could be the last time for some who are already on the brink.

People need to take Republican control away from the House. That's where this will all start.

I hate to see the country go belly up, but touching the "Third Rail" is something that will destroy Obama's shot at another term. I don't think enough republicans will vote for Obama to elect him in 2012 and it seems like the GOP is the only folks Obama is worried about taking care of.

...is already the lowest common denominator. They're the ones we can blame for what's happening today. The "Wahhhh...I don't like this so I'm not playin'" attitude is nauseating.

Doesn't matter that he tried, we need results.
That "beer summit" he held in 2009 was a sign of how disconnected he really was to the situation in the rest of the country.

There's no way to generate the enthusiasm next year like we did in 2008 because we were up against the BFEE and McCain back then.
But now, after 3 years of broken promises and a series of unpopular compromises, we are screwed.

This "wishy washy" bullshit of always talking about giving away any of the advantages of having a safety net in this country, that we worked for as a party for over 75 years, is totally asinine.

The unions aren't going to be as energized.
The teachers unions have been dismantled.
And yet, Obama acts like it is sunny days ahead while talking about balancing the budget on grandma's back!!

In fact, I predict he loses greater than any sitting President in the last 100 years. He is an absolute fool.

Boomers (middle class) were the problem - not the Republicans. And, Ronald Reagan was his hero.

Everyone dismissed it as primary talk and didn't realize he was speaking from his heart.

Or better yet, now that we have Obama, what will it look like under President Bachmann?


Jus' something to think about!

But I represent one vote.

come up. They'd be spending and spending away and wouldn't dare piss off the elderly voters by cutting medicare or SS.

Someone with a little experience and a track record so we knew what to expect. But no, it was all about rhetoric.

credit it was great branding. Unfortunately it was political bullshit, but it worked.

I remember a discussion somewhere during the primaries when so many Democrats were all aflutter over the partisanship talk from Obama and they were asked what they were willing to compromise on to get that bipartisanship. The answer was 'nothing, Obama will talk everyone into seeing it his way.' I can only assume they believed that and it must be a terrible blow to find it isn't true.

instead of a bunch of apologists.

:popcorn:

Did I miss the announcement?

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Let's claim Obama cut Social Security over and over ... so that, sadly, those who don't pay attention will think it actually happened.

Keep watching.

I told him then that if Obama wasn't the good guy that i believed him to be then we are in deep doo-doo that will take generations to fix.

We are in seriously deep doo-doo.

That's not very nice.

Obama hasn't cut SS and medicare.

on the news shows and in Obama's speeches on TV. They aren't fooled by the stupid lie that there is no inflation in America.

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DU used to pride itself on accuracy. I wish we could go back to that standard.

Every thread runs longer than the next with these drawn out redundant statements and conversations -- making the thread seem to be "on fire."

Any "news" thread is quickly inundated with negative opinions, conjecture, and speculation. Even typically democratic-themed threads on unionism or women's rights turn quickly to in-fighting as antagonists swarm here.

I've learned to ignore (not using the feature) and quickly move on to find the 'meat' of the subject and facts...but it is becoming more of a challenge.

I feel baited on every thread, and that seems to be purposeful to divide us.

the cost of living going sky high.

as I wrote way back when

Feb. 8 - Got a call from Congresswoman Jenkins today, a telephone town hall. I noticed that when one caller asked about a COLA for social security that Jenkins blamed that on Obama. In fact the COLAs are set automatically by a law passed in 1983. There were at least three bills to provide a COLA - HR 3536, HR 3672, and HR 4429, but Jenkins did not co-sponsor any of them.

that is a lie!

For now. Until interest rates jump.

Wasn't because of anything Obama said or did. Just another "happy accident" from the Bush trashing of the economy.

with the lies the republicans dreamed up to rip old folks off instead of doing something about it.

Have you been to the grocery store lately?

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You should go read the god damned TOS.

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Show me where I lied.

edit to add...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1465010

Right after the speech today was when my phone rang. I'm just the messenger. When the DNC goes to Summers County West Virginia next time to panhandle for cash or to beg for votes they will find out that the seniors up there are pissed off. BTW, this old codger ain't real happy either.

Come on.... Barack Obama hates old people.

I hope you sent your relatives some MRE's and bottled water to get by on for the time being.

I don't know if he hates old people or not, but he's lying when he says theres no inflation. Food has gone up, medicine has gone up, utilities, gasoline and the cost of living has gone up. Just because people get old don't mean they get stupid. The DLC will find out in 2012 I'm afraid.

So no COLA raises means that the old folks have already been lied to and ripped off. The people at the White House just got a cost of living raise. Is the White House the only place that the cost of living has gone up. So what will the government steal from the seniors next? Keep in mind that the seniors paid into these programs all their working lives.

Wonder where we would be now if he had won.

President was, we could see that coming. Either that or benefits being cut, but hopefully not both.

But it's the Medicare cuts that are surprising, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE STILL HAVE THAT COSTLY PROVISION IN MEDICARE ACT THAT PREVENTS US FROM NEGOTIATING PHARMACEUTICAL PRICES. That was a windfall for big pharm. Big pharma paid for it. It's time to get rid of that, which would save the program tons of $$$$.

Also, it looks bad, IMO, promising to cut SS in talks regarding the deficit, since Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit.

Silly to support people who use senior citizen's livelihoods as political bait to make backroom deals with republican extortionists.

Why can't these secret meetings be out in the open? Silly to think that every time the FED prints more cash with nothing to back it up, to pay for elective warfare, tax cuts for the wealthy and Wall Street and world bank bailouts, that it doesn't push the cost of living higher.

Edit to add you a link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x599271

Times is tough.

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There are a lot of places that haven't given out raises in the last couple of years. Maybe you haven't notices that the economy is such shit. You're probably a trust fund kid.

I'm about as close to being a trust fund kid as I am to being the fuckin' pope. I grew up in a West Virginia coal camp. My Dad died wanting to know if I was getting his Social Security claim sorted out because the SS doctors under Reagan had determined that even though he was dying from stage four lung cancer, that he was able to go back to work the following monday morning at nonUnion Carbide. A few days before he died I had to lie to him and tell him has lawyer was getting things squared away. I lied to my Dad so he wouldn't die from heart failure worrying about his SSD appeal, that was still laying on his lawyer's desk. The doctors knew he was upset about it and advised me to tell him everything was okay.

Think about looking your dying parent in the eyes and lying to him, trying to undo the damage and wreckage of his life, so that the truth wouldn't take what few days he had left away from him, like Reagan had taken his maybe one or two disability checks. Three weeks after his SSD claim was turned down he was dead. So SS saved the money he'd paid in for 40 years.

A man didn't need a lawyer to get his Social Security Disability, if he was too sick to work, until Reagan stepped in and fucked that up.

So now Mr. know it all, you know a bit more.

.....after saying that my performance was the reason there have been no raises in my industry.

"your hypocrisy"

Is that all you have? More personal attacks and name calling?

Good Bye Joe Me Gotta' Go. No time for you anymore.

A door knob would have been less destructive

2012. At least you will be able to sleep at night.

I had never talked politics with her before. She seemed kind of enthused about him.

I told her that at first I thought he was pretty cool but then it seemed like he did some things that weren't very progressive so I'd have to wait for more evidence to know what his politics really are.

It's now halfway through 2011 and I'm still waiting...

And make sure everyone knows to get there for the people that will help us.

I'm losing my state rep to a Congressional run, but I can support him in that wholeheartedly. He's possibly the best state rep in Colorado.

I finally came to trust Obama. I know how let down people feel, because yesterday wasn't the first time I'd heard lifelong democrats express the same disgust, that I heard on the phone yesterday. It's kind of like global warming the way I see it. The chances of fixing the economy or the environment get slimmer with each passing backroom deal with political extortionists. Is fake bipartisanship more important than this country? Are our debts abroad more important that our debts to our own elderly people? Did the old people lie to start the war in Iraq? Is it the old people's call to keep spending 4 billion a week in Iraq and Afghanistan? Did the old people raid the Social Security "TRUST" fund? Did the old people have a choice about paying into the SS "TRUST" fund? Why should the old people be the ones to suffer?

EDIT...I will vote for Obama AGAIN...I have no other sane choice. But unless he lays off of the seniors and stands uo to these republican gangsters it will make me sick to my stomach to support the man.

Try treating your lung cancer with Halls Cough Drops like my Dad did sometime.

Edification, please.

on TV yesterday.

Good morning! I say what a joy it is to look ahead and show you the signs of your future. So much happiness is in store for you the most brilliantly lighted stars are put to shame by the brightness of your light! Oh, happiness what an elusive thing you are, but thank GOD you were born beneath this star!

Drop another coin in the slot and I will tell you more!

How much did you pay for yours? You might want to turn the antenna on yours I think your reception is a tad grainy.

Those claw feet do kind of look like mine.

Doesn't make you right.

It's panning out just as I said... stay tuned.

I really do!