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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:26 PM
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Lori Klein, Arizona State Senator, Pointed Loaded Gun At Reporter Richard Ruelas's Chest
Source: Huffington Post

Arizona state Sen. Lori Klein (R), a gun-rights champion, keeps a loaded raspberry-pink handgun in her purse, and during an interview with Arizona Republic reporter Richard Ruelas, she took it out and pointed it at him.

"Oh, it's so cute," Klein said, before aiming the gun at Ruelas's chest to show off the red beam of the laser sight. Klein's gun, a .380 Ruger, has no safety, but the senator assured Ruelas that he wasn't in danger. "I just didn't have my hand on the trigger," she said.

Klein told the Arizona Republic that she owns a number of guns and has had "informal" training sessions on each of them, and that she was taught gun safety by her father.

Local gun activists have criticized Klein for pointing her gun at Ruelas, however. Rob Mermelstein, the range master of the Phoenix Rod and Gun Club, told the Arizona Guardian, that Klein's actions were "unconscionable."

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/11/lori-klein-arizona-gun-control-reporter-giffords_n_894973.html
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theaocp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:31 PM
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1. She should be charged with reckless endangerment.
Oh, and resign immediately, psycho. Next time, point it at yourself to show off your pretty red dot. Good thing you were "trained".
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:02 PM
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17. Assault...eom
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Cereal Kyller Donating Member (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:56 PM
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41. Is she hot?
Cuz you know the rule, right? If someone is really good-looking, s/he can't be charged.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:10 PM
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52. depends on your definition of hot. Lori Klein:
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:00 PM
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56. She looks hot--sweaty hot. nt
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Islandlife Donating Member (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:45 PM
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49. Attempted murder?
What is the law concerning this in AZ?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:31 PM
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2. IN a normal country she'd be charged
and at the very least lose her concealed weapons permit...

We are not in a normal country any longer... and expect the gunnies in 3.2.1...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:31 PM
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3. No safety?
Seriously?

x(
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:47 PM
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8. One: Chamber round.
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 05:48 PM by boppers
Two: pull trigger (semi-cock).
Three: follow through on trigger (release).

If she was carrying it loaded, but not chambered, it's safe. If she's carrying it loaded, *and* chambered, she's an idiot. Ruger had to recall a bunch of their LCP weapons because of a hammer design that resulted in accidental firing.

That being said, rule one of weapons safety is to never point a weapon in the direction of anything you don't want to kill.

Even if you "know", it's empty, or unchambered.

Even if you "know" the safety is on.

Even if you "know" there are only blanks in the weapon.

Even if you "know" your finger is not on the trigger.

You don't point guns at people unless you are willing to use them.

Period-end-of-fucking-story.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:42 PM
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32. Those pink ones were manufactured after the recall/redesign.
I know this because of researching all the potential problems before finally buying one (well after the recall and redesign).
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:47 PM
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37. Ah, but do you carry it chambered?
That's the biggest line of safety on these little puppies.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:48 PM
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38. I never carry without one in the chamber.
The other one I have is a Springfield XD 3" but it does have a safety.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:34 PM
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46. Yikes. Good luck, sir.
Too risky for me, even with a .380.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:41 PM
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47. It's ma'am, and thanks.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:44 PM
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48. My apologies.
Same mistake gets made with me all the time, no disrespect meant.
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:43 PM
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55. Just like working around electricity
the first rule is - the wire is always hot.

Shutting off the circuit breaker or even the main power switch doesn't matter

You ignore this rule and you will eventually end up electrocuted

You ignore the rule about guns and you will end up killing someone
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:17 PM
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58. My cousin once pointed my unloaded, bolt and ammo are in a safe, shotgun at me
Creeped the hell out me, even though I knew there was no way to fire anything other than a spitwad out of it. Only time I can remember yelling at him in anger...

She is an idiot who does not deserve to be allowed to own, much less carry, a weapon.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:41 PM
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30. Nope, not on that one.
I have it.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:32 PM
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4. Did the NRA send her flowers? nm
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:36 PM
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5. If that's her Dad's idea of "gun safety"-
he is as big an idiot as she. :crazy:
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:44 PM
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6. No safety
and she's carrying it in her purse! Good god!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:21 PM
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21. Yes. People get shot that way. They fish around in their purse and somehow the trigger gets
pulled. I actually was nearby when this happened one time. Peach Tree Plaza in Atlanta. A lady shot herself with a gun which was in her purse. Fortunately neither she nor any bystanders were seriously injured.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:44 PM
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33. Guns in purses make me nervous, too...
I tried multiple ways of carrying/stowing one and the only way was on my person. I absolutely have to feel the imprint or it freaks me out. In a jacket pocket isn't secure enough, it must be in a tight holster and on ME. Not everyone is that way, though.
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:02 PM
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43. and she's carrying it in her purse! Good god!
It's OK.... it's PINK! It's just a toy... a cute little pink toy... with a laser and everything!

But she really should point it at her own head to show the laser off, doncha think.


A fucking pink gun.

Gun nuts have turned a weapon for killing into just another Barbie toy. Gun advocates are fools and help the USA look like the kookiest most dangerous "civilized" country on Earth.

The blatant misreading of the 2nd Amendment is fucking embarrassing.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:45 PM
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7. She needs *formal* training then.
That was one of the most idiotic, irresponsible, stupid, dangerous things you can do. She needs to be verbally back-handed by every responsible gun owner in the state for acting like it's a fucking toy.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:52 PM
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13. Yes, and *this* is why I prefer licensing owners.
AZ used to have required formal training for CCW. It was too "inconvenient" or something, I guess, to learn that pointing a gun at somebody is a great way to end up dead.
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Devil_Fish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:58 PM
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23. No shit. If the reporter had a gun, he could have shot her and claimed self defence. NT
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:46 PM
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36. Absolutely, in AZ he sure could have. You pull a gun out and expect to be met with same force...
and it is completely legal to protect yourself that way.
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:45 PM
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34. That will never happen in AZ.
Anybody can own a gun there with no restrictions, except maybe a criminal. But there is no checks or balances to enforce that.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:50 PM
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9. Why do the morons need colorful guns? Why the need for "feminine" color?
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 05:51 PM by Anakin Skywalker
Does that somehow soften the image of the gun-owner or something?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:13 PM
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45. Does she have a matching gun for each outfit?
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:51 PM
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50. It's easier to dress in all black.
With occasional silver accents.
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bloomington-lib Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:50 PM
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10. I've had my dad (who is a gun nut) show me how to handle a gun too
You NEVER point it at anything other than the ground until you're ready to aim it at the target. NEVER EVER point it at someone whether it's loaded or not.
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:51 PM
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11. She's a disgrace
I'm a second amendment supporter and gun owner. I'm friends with lots of repuke "gun nuts". They would be appalled at this, too. You never point a gun at someone you don't intend to shoot. It's as simple as that.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:12 PM
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26. Rules don't apply to elected pub officials at the county, state, or national level: they are a
privileged lot. :patriot:
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:58 PM
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42. Ain't that the truth.
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susanr516 Donating Member (823 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:15 PM
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28. Exactly
My father was a Republican, NRA member, gunsmith, gun collector. He always told me, "Never aim a gun at anything you don't want to kill."
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:52 PM
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12. Never Ever Let Your Gun Pointed Be At Anyone
Never ever let your gun
Pointed be at anyone
That it may not loaded be
Matters not the least to me
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Heywood J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 05:57 PM
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14. Jesus Christ.
She's asking for an accidental discharge. No, begging for one. This is right up there with people who stuff them into waistbands.

As far as I ever knew, the first rule of gun safety was "never point the gun at anything you do not want to die".
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markpkessinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:00 PM
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15. I grew up in PA, in a family of hunters...
In the part of PA where I grew up, hunting was a nearly universal sport for men and boys (and nowadays, for many women and girls as well, but that was still pretty rare in the '70s). So widespread was the practice that local school districts typically scheduled the first days of buck and doe seasons as school holidays -- they knew that if they didn't, nearly half the students would be absent on those days anyway. And, for a few years while I was a teenager, I hunted as well (was given my first rifle at the age of 13). But as serious as these folks were about hunting, they were even more serious about gun safety. Teaching people about gun safety began as soon as one was old enough to pick up a toy gun. One of the most basic, fundamental rules was that you never, ever pointed a gun -- not even a toy gun -- an exception was made for squirt guns, but that was about it -- at another person. It didn't matter whether the gun was loaded or not, or even if it was real or not, pointing it at another person was something you simply DID NOT DO (unless, of course, your life were being threatened and you had no other option, in which case you were prepared to use the thing). By the time I took the hunters' safety course (a requirement in order to obtain a hunting license for the first time), I was already quite well aware of the rules concerning gun safety. What this Arizona state senator did amounts to reckless endangerment, and she should be charged accordingly.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:09 PM
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24. Responsible gun owners look down on yahoos like this
I'm originally from Pennsylvania as well. They know that idiots like her give responsible hunters a bad name.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:17 PM
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54. yeah, well the 2nd Amendment doesn't say you have to be careful with a gun.
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Mrs. Ted Nancy Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:02 PM
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16. Is the reporter pressing charges?
I found this:

13-1203. Assault; classification

A. A person commits assault by:

1. Intentionally, knowingly or recklessly causing any physical injury to another person; or

2. Intentionally placing another person in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury; or


I think pointing a loaded gun at his chest would place him "in reasonable apprehension of imminent physical injury."

She is a nut.


http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/01203.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS
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classysassy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:15 PM
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18. Another Arizona
bimbo brandishing her iron.Arizona is over run with slimy republicans.I'll bet my last peso the tramp was not born in Arizona.We seem to get all of the trash other stated don't want.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:16 PM
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19. That's ADW where I come from, I think.
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tcaudilllg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:19 PM
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20. I'll keep this in mind
next time I want to intimidate someone. Hey if it's OK for her it must be OK for me.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 06:39 PM
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22. Oh, but I thought all gun owners were "responsible" and would NEVER "point a loaded weapon"
at someone else, especially someone unarmed!

What happened there?

Why is she not arrested for reckless endangerment at the least? Pointing a gun at someone else is considered an assault!

:eyes:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:13 PM
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27. Well, in this thread, there are plenty of pissed off gun owners.
In the OP article, too.

What happened here is somebody irresponsible came into possession of a firearm. It's doubly boggling that this person could be considered a gun "advocate", when she clearly should not be allowed near firearms without a lot more training.

Perhaps with an assault charge on her record, she may lose her CCW, which might help public safety in general.
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Missy Vixen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:55 PM
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40. She won't be charged
IOKWYAR, you know. She'll keep her CCW as well. Can't actually crack down on a gun owner. That would be bad!

:eyes:
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AlbertCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 08:10 PM
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44. Why is she not arrested for reckless endangerment at the least?
Because all the people who masturbate with guns would cry and stamp their foot and whine how unreasonable and unfair that would be.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:10 PM
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25. If Keith Ellison did this, what would the right's reaction be?
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:36 PM
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29. I probably own the same model, only not in the same color.
A .380 LCP Ruger, mine has the silver trim on it (or whatever it's called). I also put on a Crimson Trace laser as the little thing is a center mass, shooter and not with the best accuracy (and practice shooting isn't easy with that tiny thing, either).

For the life of me I cannot figure out if this woman is just batshit crazy, as in Michelle B. and Sarah P. crazy or if she was trying to impress the people around her. I have a concealed weapons permit and take the responsibility with the utmost of sincerity. I have never, ever ever taken that cute little LCP out for any reason other than to clean it at home by myself (unloaded of course) or shoot it at the range. I have never showed it to a friend, to another relative aside from my husband (to show him how to clean it) or anyone at our range. The only time I plan to show to anyone else is if I plan to use it on them, which I hope to god never needs to happen.

First rule of handling a gun is never point at at target don't intend to kill. Too bad AZ is one of those states which think that anyone and everyone should have a gun. What a dumbass!
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:42 PM
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31. There's a reason it's called "concealed".
She was bragging. Now she's made national press.

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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:51 PM
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39. She was brandishing, technically.
Here in my state of FL she could have been arrested and charged, and here it is legal for a person to defend themselves if someone takes a gun out and brandishes. Touching the laser on their person is a specific threat--you have been targeted. It's no laughing matter, if that woman was my senator I would be sending her a scathing letter and giving her office an earful. She's an idiot with a death wish, obviously. Now all the bad guys who may do her harm know how dumb she is and that she is an easy target.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 07:45 PM
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35. AWWWW! And she has an 'R' after her name. Inappropriate - as usual !!!
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bluedigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:07 PM
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51. I guess I'm the only one who has a problem with this story.
"Oh, it's so cute". That's where the story picks up? :shrug:

Kind of implies...something, doesn't it?

I need more context.
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bigworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 11:02 PM
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57. I think it's just poorly written.
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wordpix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-11-11 09:16 PM
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53. "she was taught gun safety by her father"---rule no. 1: Don't point a gun at anyone unless
Edited on Mon Jul-11-11 09:17 PM by wordpix
it's in self-defense.

I guess her father isn't a very good teacher, or she's an idiot for a student.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:32 PM
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59. Charges please. This was a threat and also reckless. Take her toy away.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:47 PM
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60. Oh, what's the big deal, anyway?
I mean, it's not like anyone's gone on a shooting spree in Arizona this month. Buncha gun-grabbing, latte-sipping, tree-hugging, mama's boys. Didn't she say it was "cute" before leveling it at that reporter? When was the last time something "cute" hurt anyone? Next thing you know, you're going to want to outlaw Care Bears! My granddaughter loves her Care Bear, and you socialist sharia-loving commies aren't going to take it from her, no matter what. /boudelang
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 03:49 PM
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61. it is nice that we have arizona to help make wisconsin look rational
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