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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:47 PM
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If no debt deal means no Social Security checks, does it also mean no more war?
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 12:48 PM by Karmadillo
If we can't pay Social Security checks out of the Social Security trust fund, which is currently running a surplus, where would we get the money to pay for the Forever War?
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:48 PM
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1. how about no congressional pay AND no war?
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:45 PM
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16. Yep. They can play freakin' chicken with their own pay AND medical.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:48 PM
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2. I was thinking the same thing
evidently not - or at least he didn't mention it (unless my ears were still buzzing from the concert I went to last night). There is always $$ for death and destruction - not so much for food and shelter.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:49 PM
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3. oh no no -- *some* people in this society will *always* be paid...
...warmongers chief among the front-of-liners...
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:47 PM
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17. It seems we have almost reached the serfdom phase. That's OUR money they're playing chicken with.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:09 PM
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22. It is sacred. It should not even be in the conversation. ever. at all. way the hell too
far to the right...The entire national conversation is always where the republicans want it to be.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:56 PM
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4. I would hope so.
Was war money mentioned, I did not see the report?

Threatening no SS payments won't move the Republicans one inch, in fact they'd probably be happy about it.

If Obama wants to play real chess, then he should not just be attacking their pawns, he needs to take one of their most valuable pieces. And money for War not being available to them would definitely move them.

Seems like it's always Social Security on the chopping block, but never War funds.
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 12:57 PM
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5. The 27th amendment will not allow this to mess up congressional pay...
The Defense Authorization Bill was signed on January 07,2011, that provided funding through the end of the year. I'm not sure how this will affect military operations.

The question I have is this, where does the funding for the Social Security Administration come from. If their operation is funded form the General Fund, then this is a real threat.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:10 PM
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10. Indirectly, it is funded by the general fund.
Funds are paid to SS, and SS buys Treasury Bonds with the money, and of course also gets interest on their money. When money has to be paid out to its members, the Treasuries are sold and cash is transfered from the general fund to support the checks that are written.

Foolish as this sounds, it's like if you have a billion dollars, and invests it all in one stock...say B of A. You are still worth the billion $$. You buy things, and write checks to pay for them and you sell some of your stock to fund the checks. Then one day, B of A declares bankruptcy. Your invesstment is GONE!
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Ozymanithrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:11 PM
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11. Then this is a legitimate threat.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:00 PM
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6. No! No! We must "support the troops"! The old and ill can just suck it up and "sacrifice".
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:04 PM
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7. Haha, a good one! nt
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toddwv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:05 PM
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8. There is always money for war.
Always.
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jtrockville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:07 PM
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9. I wondered the same about the "balanced budget amendment"
If we can't pay for war in the same year as we wage it, will it stop?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:14 PM
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13. War Money? "Everyone CTFO. He's got that." with the help of Congress
"The House of Representatives recently voted for a $649 billion defense spending bill that increases the Defense Department’s budget by $17 billion."

(snip)

The military budget is not on the table,” Frank told MSNBC.com. “The military is at the table, and it is eating everybody else’s lunch.”


House Votes on Increasing Defense Budget
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1470304&mesg_id=1470474

Passed overwhelmingly. 336-87.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:15 PM
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14. not at all--except that soldier's families won't get a check. But who cares?
Halliburton is still safe.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:16 PM
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15. May I steal that?
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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:07 PM
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21. Ha. Feel free.
nt
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:51 PM
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18. oh no, there's ALWAYS money for war and killing...ALWAYS
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simonmagnus Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:53 PM
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19. Was that a serious question?
I have grown so accustomed to the backwards thinking of our current government and was surprised by your sensible question. In a responsible and grown-up world funding for wars would be the last option and advancement of human civilization would be the highest priority.

We live in a fucked up society where cash is king to the detriment of the environment. War and its plunder are profitable so don't expect it to go away anytime soon. Also keep in mind that it is usually the economically disadvantaged and uninformed that join the military. If we actually took care of people's most basic needs with a resource-based economy, war would go extinct.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 01:54 PM
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20. No. Aren't the wars a separate line item? n/t
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:01 PM
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23. that would be great. oh, and no TSA either, and buy-bye fatherland security.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:08 PM
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24. Very funny. They will pass out IOU's to the troops but the wars will continue.
There is no level of busted that would result in the wars ending short of complete collapse or the slow disintegration of ability over some years.
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amborin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 10:02 PM
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25. kick
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