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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:08 PM
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Raising Medicare to 67? Black men, enjoy your two years of coverage!
Meanwhile, work until you drop, while the work gets harder and the benefits get scarcer!

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Life expectancy for black and white men and women was as follows:

Black male: 69.8 years
White male: 75.7 years
Black female: 76.5 years
White female: 80.8 years

http://www.webmd.com/healthy-aging/news/20060419/record-us-life-expectancy
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:22 PM
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1. This obscene act would obviously also exacerbate built-in gender and racial biases
inherent in the program in view of longevity factors. :patriot:
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:24 PM
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2. Men in Mississippi? No soup for you. Life expectancy: 67. n/t
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:30 PM
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3. The repubs there would consider that a plus n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:58 PM
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5. +
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:16 PM
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7. I think that's what the "adults" call "savings"-or program "changes eliminating waste fraud & abuse"
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 08:18 PM by kenny blankenship
and what they do not -not in any circumstances, ever- call "cuts".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 07:44 PM
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:09 PM
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6. f 'n a k 'n r
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:18 PM
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8. The right wing uses a similar meme to get black men to
join the GOP.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:21 PM
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10. Yes they did.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:24 PM
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12. What do you think of that GOP join-up pitch?
It's more of their patented brand of please die early so you don't cost us a dime, because that's how much we hate you bullshit - right?
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:24 PM
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13. Sho' do! The president is bluffing! DU needs to wake up. Even Dr. Dean
agrees with Larry O'Donnell's assessment of the president's strategy!!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:19 PM
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9. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. Hahaha. And
:rofl:
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Terry_M Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:22 PM
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11. Corrections
The numbers you present and conclusion you draw is incorrect. Why is best illustrated in this table:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html

in 2004, at birth the average white male had a life expectancy of 75.7, all other males 69.8. But notice how over time, the non-white males and white males edge closer and closer together - if they make it long enough.

By 50, the 5.9 year difference is now 3.8 years. A white male that makes it to 60 has 20.9 years ahead of them. The non white male 18.3.

Yes, there's a difference. But it's not nearly as large as you initially make it out to be. If retirement moves up to 67, the white male who's made it to 60 will get about 13.9 years, the non white male who's made it to 60 about 11.3. Per the figures in the table going back to 2004.. It's hopefully even better now.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:29 PM
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14. 'If retirement moves up to 67, the white male who's made it to 60 will get about 13.9 years'
So you're saying his life expectancy is 81? ('If retirement moves up to 67, the white male who's made it to 60 will get about 13.9 years')? He can count on "getting" 14 years of benefits?

That's much better. We should all plan to work longer, since we're getting so much at the other end :)
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Terry_M Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 08:40 PM
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15. Yup - if you don't get knocked off in an accident, by cancer, etc.
And make it to 60 the average expectation is almost another 21 years.

Also - in 1990 the average at 60 was 12.1, and it moved to 13.7 by 2004, so basically moving from 65 to 67 is a move to compensate for the fact that those who last till 60 will be around for longer than they would have a couple decades ago.

Not that I necessarily agree with it as I'm not really sure that it's gotten any easier to continue to be productive at the age of 65-67 than it was before, but from a mathematical standpoint, if the age is fixed at 65 forever, then we're going to draw benefits for a larger and larger portion of our lives - which makes it more and more expensive, and you either gotta move the age up or tax more and more to keep up.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:46 PM
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17. But using correct figures defeats the point of the OP

Obama is eeeevil. Your numbers lie.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:44 PM
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16. The use of life expectancy from birth is misleading in this context

African American life expectancy from birth is reflective of a significantly higher rate of infant and childhood mortality.

Life expectancy from working age, say 18, would be more accurate, but the spread is not as dramatic and thus does not support your point.

Perhaps you might remind me when this change to social security takes effect.

Thank you
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 09:53 PM
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18. The point is
And there should be no question, that males die earlier than women. Due to the harder physical labor men endure.

Blacks fill the hard labor forces more than whites, common sense declares, and with the rising age of becoming a beneficiary, will in the end, as a whole, reap less.
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