This is for all of you who have hung Obama out to dry:

He is the same person we elected and it would be wise to allow him to do his job. Remember what he's been up against.

and no, it's not a pleasant sight.

... indeed.

:hi:

Did you notice that today Mitch McConnell has rolled over and given Pres. Obama and the Democrats an offer to do just that?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717

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McConnell as leader of the minority in the Senate is the least important player in the negotiations. Also did you read the fine print of his offer? Obama has to cut for every dollar that the debt ceiling is raised.

Mitch McConnell's offer is the political equivalent of waving a tattered white flag. Everyone in Washington DC knows it, too. As my quotes showed, even the MSM knows it. FFS, WaPo's GOP-ass kisser Howie Kurtz even knows it. And have you heard about the funereal coverage on Faux News?

President Obama has won.

I watched him on the news tonight and he did not seem to know that.

There's just as much "evidence" of an agreement happening as there was of SS and Medicare being flushed down the toilet, yet that didn't stop the Chicken Littles from declaring that Obama is the spawn of Satan and we're all basically fucked...


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I did not post one word about that stuff. I prefer to comment on facts not rumors and supposed 'proposals'.

not my intention but I'll go with it! ;-)

;)

The subject line of your OP specifically calls out to "detractors".

Of course it was your intention. You addressed the envelope, slapped a stamp on it, and dropped it in the big blue box, didn't 'cha.

and really get sick and tired of some on DU beating him up all the time. I guess I have a mischeivous streak. ;-)

Dev'lish streaks are something we all got sometimes. :)

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Can't fall for the same propaganda, with cute picture and slogan. I don't like his results. There are very few results or procedures or processes he's done on which I'm happy. Why should I chill? Why should I believe he's got this?

The calculations, whatever they are, of this administration are baffling. And they don't come near to fulfilling the promise I thought I had found in this particular candidate.

Obama supporters always had faith in President Obama's strategic goals and ability to play political poker. This is why:





Gawd, what a President. What a hoot. :rofl:

Last but not least, here's the result of President Obama's excellent gamesmanship:

McConnell blinks? Teabagger heads explode, demand "Pontius Pilate" be burned in effigy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717



Hopefully, the Chicken Littles on the left will figure it out some day.

Like my sig? :D
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717

about now and working up some other tall tales.

He has allowed seniors and teachers to suffer much tension.

Both are being done without feeling or caring for us.

I am so effing sick of that picture.

Obama supporters always had faith in President Obama's strategic goals and ability to play political poker. This is why:





Last but not least, here's the result of President Obama's excellent strategic moves:

McConnell blinks? Teabagger heads explode, demand "Pontius Pilate" be burned in effigy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717

:sarcasm:

I have seen how teachers are reacting to the attacks on them for the last two years.

Joke about it, think it is funny....it is reality.

Not overall. He talks like it sometimes, but the move to dismantle teachers' unions has been deliberate and strong.

:rofl:

Has that happened and I missed it? It's been inked, settled, and signed? Cool! Where can I read the details?

What in hell is noble about that?

Impatient. No, I am honest.

Haven't you figured that out yet?

I won't forget the tension and stress he has put them under.

Please try to keep up.

SS and Medicare before the GOP did?

That is not chess.

Obama is playing a game of strategic brilliance and I hope, for your sake, he succeeds.

Don't they have their own pensions paid by the taxpayers?

We were able to switch over to SS as well as a pension in the 70s. I don't get a lot because there were some years I missed paying in. Many districts do that.

That was not what I was referring to, though. I was referring to the continuation of the Bush policies of privatizing education.

why his Sec. of Education is dismantling public schools and unions and why Wall Street appears to have selected the members of the president's financial cabinet?

Obama supporters always had faith in President Obama's strategic goals and ability to play political poker. This is why:





Here's the result of President Obama's excellent gamesmanship:

McConnell blinks? Teabagger heads explode, demand "Pontius Pilate" be burned in effigy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717



Will the Chicken Littles on the left ever figure it out some day?

with just about ALL Americans?

I don't know if there's anyone in this country who either isn't on SS or Medicare or doesn't KNOW anyone on SS or Medicare.


What else could he have put on the table that would have sparked the outrage SS and Medicare did and accomplish the same goal?

to celebrate today.

Read all about it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717

Obama supporters always had faith in President Obama's strategic goals and ability to play political poker. This is why:






Someday, the Chicken Littles on the left will figure it out some day.

with interest? That's gonna be a loooong wait.

Having caved in December, having created a Catfood commission, why shouldn't the expectation be for another cave? Why is the left so foolish as to expect yet another one?

Why should we be happy that the President was fully prepared to work out a deal that would piss off his base, only to find that Republicans did not have the guts to piss off their base? Once again, Republicans stood and fought for the top 2%. While Obama was seemingly over there not willing to fight for the bottom 98%.

Also, is the story really over? Or are we celebrating a victory with 4 minutes left in the game? As Glenn Frey said "it don't mean nothing, until you sign it on the bottom line"

which neither you nor the OP seem too concerned with.

All of which you promptly ignored.... in favor of the usual blame game "It's all Obama's fault!" complaints that completely discount the actions of Congress in an attempt to demonize this Democratic President.

Fuck that.

which are not facts in any sense of the word.

If only I could "read the details".

Yawn.

Obama knew full well the Pukes would never take ANY of his deals and in their folly, will now give Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling with no cuts to entitlements. They get NOTHING they wanted. Brilliant. :D

I got a bucket full of those over here. Turns out he's really great at giving speeches. Meanwhile, my House rep. and senator have more Progressive in their toenail clippings than the President has in his whole body.

PB

All we know is what the media reports. That about that for a little bit....

Some here believe they have it all figured out and are quick to make assumptions based on nothing.

:kick:

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The pubs folded, enjoy.

Please and thank you!

But that deal is not done yet, and while perhaps I criticized too soon yesterday I fear YOU may be "crowing" too soon tonight.

We'll both see what deal gets done - and neither of us knows what it will end up being yet.

I'll accept that...

But you must admit, I get round one!

Now where do I find some crow? :)

:eyes:

The person with the power is the one who hangs people out to dry. Powerless people are no threat to the aforementioned.

I feel so much better now, thank you for letting me see the light, I have to chill the fuck out cause he's got this...

But I don't think he will. Remember who he's dealing with.

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Now I feel better.

Me too. I have been so "the fuck chilled out" I can't stand myself.

Never thought of hanging him out to dry. He got this. :kick: :patriot:

go with it

How about that awful health care bill we got instead of single payer or an expansion of Medicare to include everyone? Did you applaud when he gave the green light to drilling?

By the way, we've all seen this .jpeg a dozen times or more. It's nothing original and isn't even amusing anymore.

But seriously, thanks for yet another post telling us how to feel. We dumb folk sher do appreshiate yer guidance.

Then read up on how government works in the USA. President Obama isn't a dictator.

It's that pesky Congress. They're at fault for everything.

No wonder I'm so happy in my part-time job, which is the only one I could find after 23 months of unemployment.

Did YOU applaud when Obama gave the green light to drilling? Sure worked out well for us, didn't it?

Say what you want, but current president only LOOKS like the same guy who was running for the position in 2008.

him go out and plead for an extension of the Bush tax cuts? Did they hypnotize him into not working hard enough to get votes to close Gitmo? Anyone can sit there and say "Well, shucks, I just didn't get the votes," but where was the leadership? He had no problem getting votes out of reluctant reps for that miserable health care bill he stuck us with instead of just extending Medicare to cover everyone.

He's not the same guy we elected, but if it makes you feel better you just keep on defending everything he does. If we don't get what we want, just blame Congress. It works for Republicans, it can work for you too.

:hug:

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that establish a framework for fucking us over be it now or but off for a season.

He has reinforced the framing that dictates the conversation is the amount of the cuts and deals already thrown out say they go cheap.

He has legitimized and even championed the Republican underlying premise. That is putting yourself in check no matter how many dimensions the chess board is.

Hand to mouth operators need to keep their day jobs and keep practicing on projecting longer range.
The President has set the table by agreeing to some pretty shitty policy, at least in well publicized fashion for little above nothing folks.

It is out there and it will take some real extra dimensional chess to pull it back and made the water pretty damn murky for those running down ticket.

I tell you what, it is time to get pledgey with it. Every single candidate needs to make a notarized pledge they will resign, give up any pension and benefits, and never seek elected office again if they vote to cut Social Security or Medicare. Though it is unlikely that a new Congress will go into session without cuts being made.

There is no debate now, there is a "consensus".

Any dissenters are fringe whiners that won't eat their peas.

Obama supporters always had faith in President Obama's strategic goals and ability to play political poker. This is why:





Last but not least, here's the result of President Obama's excellent gamesmanship:

McConnell blinks? Teabagger heads explode, demand "Pontius Pilate" be burned in effigy!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=708717&mesg_id=708717



Someday far far away, the Chicken Littles on the left will figure it all out.

Seriously, Way to make the repukes eat their own puke!

It's a beautiful sight! :D

You're an honest Obama critic. Too bad there are far too few of your kind.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

Debt ceiling or later, what direction is this discussion going?

He didn't win anything anyway, the Chamber of Commerce and the high rollers weren't going to allow their footpads to default. They like free money, they like their accumulated wealth, and they like commerce.

The crisis is artificial and the "brilliant moves" did nothing but set up the slashing of the safety net. The table has been set, the consensus reinforced with concrete, the options laid out.

This isn't going anywhere Clark and if the President plans to flip the script and chase the TeaPubliKlans demanding they eat their peas they either will which is a loss or they flip and become the champions of the program and we lose because we would have nothing to run on, killing the party.

This is not a path to victory and surely is a path away from lowering the retirement age, which is what needs to be going on, certainly lowering the Medicare eligibility age.
We are way off course and vigorously paddling in the wrong direction.

He's got this alright....



Obama's rightward slide is pretty apparent given the past two years, and the insistence that he is "playing chess" or somehow duping anyone but the democratic base is pretty hard to swallow at this stage.

Why don't some understand he's one man?

You did a good job torching that strawman you built rather than addressing my post. I'll rephrase for you:

Obama is currently offering up cuts to social security and medicare, something he specifically stated he would not do while campaigning. This fits in line fairly well with the other aspects of his campaign he has doubled back on. If you want to argue that the President is impotent then that's your prerogative, but the onus is on you to support it.

But see, the thing is...they were never on the table, regardless of the words. No deal was reached and now, the Pukes will give Obama the authority to raise the debt ceiling and will NOT get their 4 trillion in entitlement cuts. They get NOTHING.

I thought the President was just one man, now instead you're arguing that he's playing a cunning game and winning it by lying to the citizens of this country about his intentions and his desire to compromise?

I'm not sure I like that version of President Obama you've created either. But it wouldn't surprise me for the last part to be true, he's shown few qualms about lying to the public to secure center-right positions (like saying that the public option was still on the table long after it had been cut down in private deal making).

Instead of addressing the issues with Obama's current actions (putting Medicare and Social Security up for cuts) you instead deflect to whether or not Obama would be pleasing to me in any fashion. I'm willing to address that, but if you're not willing to discuss the actual subject please be up front about it.

I would be entirely satisfied with an Obama who states that he will veto any proposal that includes cuts to Medicare and Social Security and then follows through. An honest Obama who sticks to the positions he was voted in on. By contrast you are asking me to accept and support an Obama that is, at best, willing to lie to the public to play a political game over a non-issue like the debt ceiling; or, at worst, someone who is willfully advocating cutting social security and medicare in direct contrast to his statements prior to his election.

Obama has certainly showcased himself as center-right, including on this very issue. I won't support a President willing to advocate for cutting social security or medicare. If it were McCain making these proposals I wouldn't support him either. Pretending it's different because it's Obama pushing the issue and that we should trust him on that alone, given his track record as President, is a fantasy.

Just kidding. I'm loving that white flag. :patriot:

I think the Pukes really thought they had Obama over a barrel, and could succeed in huge cuts to Medicare and SS. I wonder if "the art of war" is Obama's favorite book. ;-)

No kidding.

Its quaint that you do.

Save your condescension

Do you have a coherent argument to make for the president's willingness to continuously force republican "solutions" down our throats. Especially wrt medicare and social security.

I am interested in your defense of this.

And I hope after you read it, you'll reconsider your stance.

I don't know why you think it would help your argument to post the same rubbish we've all been reading.

... which has resulted in Redstate.com's owner calling for Mitch McConnell to be burned in effigy. :rofl:

For some reason it's unsurprising.

But I want more angst! More impotent rage!!! MORE!!

Edit: Oh, and I rec'd. :rofl: But you're still at zero!!!!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I felt like screaming, and I did, in a good way. I think thr rec thing is turned off, lol. :hi:

...with peas, of course. :fistbump:

enjoy it while we can. :scared:

Everybody Chill....Eat your peas! Maybe that would be better though. :) :patriot:

I couldn't help but post that pic though. A perfect night to pull it out. :D

This thread is full of win.

Sid

cut he pentagon budget by 75%"

Crisis over.

And if not, we'd have our way - out of the BS so-called wars-on-terror.

;-)

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I have not placed a bet on this deal, but I am really hoping we come out on top.

I'm totally disappointed in the man/system.

that only a few of the 100 or so (my estimate) unreccers bothered to comment. Gee I wonder why.
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the idiom cannot be applied here. Plain and simple.

"hang somebody out to dry
to get someone into trouble, especially by making them take the blame for a bad situation.
When the department got into difficulties, his bosses simply hung him out to dry."
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hang+out+to+dry
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Notice from which direction the action flows. FROM THE TOP TO THE BOTTOM.
Note, too, that Obama is not our underling. WE CANNOT "GET (OBAMA) INTO TROUBLE." WE cannot "MAKE" him "take the blame," as he has the power to ignore the voters.
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"Usage notes: Often carries an element of betrayal of someone who might have expected protection or assistance."
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hang_out_to_dry
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Obama, as PRESIDENT, could not have reasonably expected "protection or assistance" from voters, who have no capacity to provide either, TO THE PRESIDENT. Indeed, it is THE OTHER WAY AROUND: the VOTERS can reasonably expect "protection or assistance" from the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
HENCE, the discussions and dismay re: Presidential comments about Social Security and Medicare.

IN SUM: It is the populace who now might reasonably, logically, and idiomatically feel "left hung out to dry" by their elected Representatives, not the other way around.

He wanted the job, he knew what the country expected of him, and he fumbled the ball. Once his term is done, he'll be universally loved and respected, just like Jimmy Carter, for being a good man and an historically important one. He'll also be fabulously rich.

He's set for life. We (the working poor) are worse off now. I refuse to feel sorry for the guy. He's the most powerful man on Earth.

I don't feel sorry for him; he's capable - more capable than anyone else we could have elected. I support him now and his re-election.

I swear - Obama's defenders on DU want to simultaneously claim both heroism and impotence for this guy.

they're who I'm speaking to; the ones why yell they won't be voting for him in 2012. Obama IS up against a hell of a lot and you know it. Don't you remember what the Bush Admin and their cohorts did in 8 years? Many of them are still in the govt; in various positions, and then there's Congress.

Like I said, he's capable, not impotent. And not a hero either; just doing his best to keep the country from going under completely.

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