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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:13 PM
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All he has to say is: "If you don't increase the debt ceiling, I will be forced to end the wars, and
cut the pentagon budget by 75%, any outstanding defense payments will be suspended.

Crisis over.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:16 PM
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1. LOL! I would love to have heard that!
Brilliant!

:P
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:18 PM
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2. If he wanted to, he would.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:50 PM
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30. Yup!
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21st Century FDR Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:19 PM
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3. He should say that anyway, regardless of the debt ceiling.
Then they wouldn't have to worry about money for Social Security and Medicare.
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:23 PM
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4. Unrec'd
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 11:36 PM by brooklynite
No President, liberal or otherwise is going to snap his/her fingers and say that not one more penny will be spent on existing military engagements when the troops are already deployed. You can complain about the speed at which troops are being withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan, but they cannot be instantly removed, and no President is going to fail to support their needs, or use them as a bargaining chip.
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jimmyflint Donating Member (239 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:37 PM
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7. How long should it take?
1 term? 2 terms? 2 years? 4 years? 8 years? Making excuses and trying to justify it is looking worse and worse as time goes by. I myself am calling bullshit, if they wanted to end these wars they would.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:17 AM
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17. Unrec you.
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 12:18 AM by Bluebear
your post that is
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 09:35 AM
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19. Yes they can be removed immediatly, by direct order of the CiF. But all it has to be is the threat
to leverage his position - although that is what he should do for a whole host of reasons.

PS - this pres is failing to support their needs, by flailing them about aimlessly in the mid east in order to increase corporate profits.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:54 PM
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31. but it's fine to use
the elderly, disabled and poor as bargaining chips?
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Wait Wut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 02:58 PM
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32. Rec...
...your post, that is. ;-)
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:30 PM
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5. but he won't say THAT
Edited on Tue Jul-12-11 11:31 PM by Skittles
that would take COURAGE; much easier to alarm SOCIAL SECURITY RECIPIENTS
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:06 AM
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14. good point..scare the crap out of seniors and disabled and not even mention the waste on wars..
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:10 AM
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20. It's very sad he is attacking the weakest and will not stand up to the real bullies.
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:19 PM
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25. +1 n/t
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:36 PM
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6. Not just untouchable spending, but a $17 billion INCREASE over 2011
“The military budget is not on the table. The military is at the table, and it is eating everybody else’s lunch.

(Barney Frank)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1470304&mesg_id=1470304





http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1478111
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:39 PM
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8. Great graph. K and R especially for that! nt
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:46 PM
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10. Courtesy kpete. Puts austerity hawks' priorities in rather vivid perspective,
I think.
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 11:46 AM
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24. Yes, it would be nice to see what it would look like if the latest proposals are enacted.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:58 PM
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11. When I look at that, I can't get the image of Pac-Man
slowly gobbling up all the other programs out of my mind.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:02 AM
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12. I know!
:nuke:
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:08 AM
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15. pathetic..nt
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 11:40 PM
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9. Reverse hostage taking jars them to bone.
The Social Security statement today scared them into movement. Putting our military footprint on the chopping block would absolutely terrify them.
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gkhouston Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:06 AM
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13. Social Security doesn't belong on the chopping block. Military spending does. n/t
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:15 AM
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16. +1000 - the troops could be back in seven days if that were our priority
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 12:26 AM
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18. Awesome OP.
A whole lot said with very few words.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:15 AM
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21. I'm not sure that would have the same effect...
I mean, imagine how DU would look...


"YEAH!!! government default to end the wars! Go for it!!!"





Not even sure it would matter all that much to anybody, really. Even many Republicans. Especially if they're struggling to pay their bills. Think of it. No job. No healthcare. Losing their homes maybe. People just aren't going to be all that outraged over it.

IMO

:shrug:
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:15 PM
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26. It would matter to the little girls whose parents are stuck in the middle east, at least.
The Rupukes would NEVER let this happen.
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pipi_k Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:29 PM
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29. That's true, but little girls don't vote. n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:21 AM
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22. That is definitely what he should have said. nt
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 10:22 AM
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23. Yeah, but he WON'T say that.
That would require a spine. He's too busy being bipartisan. Where's Harry Truman when you need him? Oh yeah, he's dead ...

Bake
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:18 PM
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27. yep
reducing the military budget must be done

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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 01:25 PM
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28. Exactly .... !!! 80% of the public want an end to the wars ....
Nation supports Social Security ane Medicare --
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