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Omaha Steve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 05:42 AM Original message |
Cheerleading case stirs up dispute (ADA violation for girl in wheelchair?) |
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indurancevile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 05:43 AM Response to Original message |
1. It must take a lot of guts to do cheerleader tryouts in her situation. More power to her. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. I don't know. I first posted that she is one among many rejected. But maybe she ought to be |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. ok |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:29 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. An athletic squad of any kind has the right to set minimal standards. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. oh for pity's sake. Why blind brain surgeons? Because |
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trumad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I agree with that and see it quite often... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Harm- cheerleading today involves a lot of jumps, climbs, etc that require exquisite training |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. It seems to me that is essentially what she was asking for. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. If the school doesn't have an honorary spot- there is no way to accommodate her... yet. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. So the parents are right to sue. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. IMO, the parents should approach the school about having honorary positions, not suing because their |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That's what they're doing in the first place. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
58. We have a local school who has 2 mentally and physically handicapped |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. I agree. I suspect that this girl is treated with respect by her peers, |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
67. Absolutely. n/t |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
25. +1 make her an honorary position. |
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josiesmom (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
59. honorary position |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. i don't know. on the one hand, i think, you really do need to be able bodied to be a cheerleader. |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Whatever they expect, I hope they end up paying the school's legal expenses when they lose. |
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ncrainbowgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #59 |
93. Hi josiesmom! |
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adigal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I agree with you. There are somethings each one of us |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:00 AM Response to Reply #3 |
13. How many kids with no arms and legs go to that school? |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #3 |
254. Children with no heads |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:57 AM Response to Original message |
6. I grew up and graduated in Aurora |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
8. on the one hand, she really wants it, working for it, accomodate. on other hand, other girls really |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:37 AM Response to Reply #8 |
17. Yes, but those denied girls get to go on with their life with their arms and legs. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. What you're saying is the entire team and the coach must choreograph routines around her. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Yes. That is what I'm saying. n/t |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #23 |
27. That's not fair |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's not fair! Awwww... |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I don't see |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Oh, you mean she didn't come right out and say it? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:51 AM Response to Reply #32 |
118. You seem to have completely missed the other posters point |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:51 AM Response to Reply #118 |
125. Yes. Cheerleading has a lot more tumbling than it did 20 years ago. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #125 |
195. Cheering is about SPIRIT |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:27 PM Response to Reply #19 |
268. yes, that's how the world works you see --we're all supposed to work together |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
10. I wonder what reasonable accomodations are being suggested and what the scoring rubric consisted? |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. I see know reason she could not participate as an "honorary" cheer leader for the games |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
11. Oh, For Heaven's Sake |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
187. Bingo. |
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likesmountains 52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
238. Exactly! I wanted to be in the choir but I can't carry a tune so didn't make the cut. |
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Redford (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
12. My daughter is a cheerleader in Texas |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. What happens when there are multiple handicapped young women vying for that one honorary spot? |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:23 PM Response to Reply #20 |
202. Oh my Gawd! Oh, The Humanity! |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:30 PM Response to Reply #20 |
271. what happens if multiple disabled people are competing for your job? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
14. If you are not physically capable being a cheerleader then . . . sorry |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. what if they have a height requirement? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. If it could be justified as being essential to that teams performance |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #16 |
35. what about, for example, when flight attendants are fired because they aren't attractive enough? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. What about when people are fired for the color of their skin? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. but do you understand ADA? say you're an office worker but in your job description is... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Were you of the opinion that cheerleaders do not use their legs? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. a school is a public entity and its cheerleading squad shouldn't exclude the disabled |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:56 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Being a public school doesn't mean everyone gets to join any club they wish |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. that's not what i said, this conversation is over if you're going to put words in my mouth |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:00 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Ok, so you're not arguing that she should be allowed in despite being unable to perform |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. should the disabled be barred from all activities and clubs that are physically oriented? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. You're asking me if people who are phsyically incapable of doing some task |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. you said, "Does this really need to be explained? At one point this was simply common sense. " |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Yeah, saying a crippled woman cannot do a back flip is the same as saying |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. no you misread it again |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
137. You know who else persecuted people? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #64 |
86. you've spent a lot of time on this thread essentially telling disabled people they can't cheerlead |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:21 AM Response to Reply #86 |
138. I'm saying that disabled people cannot do things that their disability prevents them from doing |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:06 PM Response to Reply #86 |
192. Many girls try out for cheerleading squads and are |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. No, it doesn't. But it isn't all exclusionary, either. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Cheerleaders have their own competitions |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Yes. They have competitions and tryouts. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. At the root of it football is a game too |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It isn't the same thing. No, not everyone can play football. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. You are aware that cheerleaders don't simply stand around yelling? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Cheering is for teem spirit. So they added back flips. Who cares? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
104. It is a competitive sport |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. I fully understand what cheerleading is. No, it isn't outdated. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:31 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. But how will she do the cheer leading routines? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. How do I think she'll feel? How would I know? All I know is she wants to be on the team. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. So do you add a position |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. Well I'll tell you, I sleep just fine at night. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:40 AM Response to Reply #104 |
123. I would add 'girls AND boys' win scholarships |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #76 |
122. See, this is what you are not understanding.. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:47 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Gee. When did gymnastics fall off the face of the earth? I wasn't aware. |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:53 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Gymnastics is only tumbling? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:57 AM Response to Reply #127 |
128. Well, then |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #128 |
134. That's okay, I'll let you pretend to be the gymnastics and cheerleading expert. n/t |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:10 AM Response to Reply #134 |
135. Well, alrighty then. n/t |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Right.. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:01 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. They lead cheers. Exactly. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #76 |
136. Your entire argument seems to rest on your opinion that cheerleading is stupid and pointless |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #136 |
145. I don't know how you read that from anything I've said. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:12 AM Response to Reply #145 |
146. You've said repeatedly that real sports like football should be free |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:14 AM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Point out where I said they were real sports. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:17 AM Response to Reply #147 |
148. So are you now saying that cheerleading is a real sport |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:18 AM Response to Reply #148 |
149. I've never said otherwise. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:36 AM Response to Reply #149 |
150. Ok, good we've established that cheerleading is in fact a sport |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #150 |
151. No, because it's pointless to establish things that don't need establishing. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #151 |
154. So you're saying; no, physical handicaps do not limit ones physical abilities |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #154 |
157. Hmmm. Interesting interpretation there. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:13 AM Response to Reply #157 |
160. Ok so now you believe being handicapped limits ones physical abilities |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #151 |
158. You seem to be thinking about this from a personal, rather than logical perspective |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #158 |
159. But what makes you think she can't do routines? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #159 |
161. The team said she can't |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. Oh. The team said she can't? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #162 |
166. From the article: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Yeah, I read the article. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #167 |
170. Well it seems you have your opinion |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #170 |
172. I wouldn't say it's the majority. |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #172 |
176. Maybe it is the lack of even one 'rec' that would show most people |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #176 |
177. Ha! |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:04 PM Response to Reply #172 |
190. A handful of very vocal people are supporting this lawsuit |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #190 |
207. Again. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #207 |
223. Well in this case my majority includes legal experts |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #223 |
252. There were legal experts in the article on their side as well. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #161 |
164. Oh, and there's a name for that kind of logic. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #164 |
168. As opposed to: |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. I don't know. Gee. Which side to take... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #169 |
171. Again, read the article |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:27 AM Response to Reply #171 |
173. Yes, she failed the physical tests that the abled bodied girls have to take. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #173 |
189. It's not like this is the debate team and they demanded she do a back flip |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #189 |
191. It really isn't that hard. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:07 PM Response to Reply #191 |
193. So now it's not just the test to get in |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:09 PM Response to Reply #193 |
194. I admited it? Where? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:10 PM Response to Reply #194 |
196. So they should fundamentally alter the nature of the sport to accommodate her? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #196 |
197. in what world are the fundamentally altering it? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:16 PM Response to Reply #197 |
199. In that for everyone else the sport is not sitting in a chair yelling |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:19 PM Response to Reply #199 |
200. Oh, man. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #200 |
203. Ok, lets try a different tack |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #203 |
205. As I've already said multiple times in this thread |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:42 PM Response to Reply #205 |
208. She specifically says she wants to cheer teams on. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Why? Because she wants to. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. I want to be on the chess team |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #216 |
217. You can pull up every acticity under the sun that isn't the same |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:53 PM Response to Reply #217 |
222. Pithy, we've been over this |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:57 PM Response to Reply #222 |
229. No you haven't. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #229 |
236. Now you're just being silly |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #236 |
250. I may be being silly |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:46 PM Response to Reply #208 |
213. Good point |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #205 |
210. So then she cannot perform the skills normally required of a cheerleader |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #210 |
215. Then your argument is no one should ever accomodate ever. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #215 |
221. "And that's wrong" |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:55 PM Original message |
But that's not my belief. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
230. Because letting her skip the tryouts means she would be able to join the team but unable |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. She can't do backflips, but she can still perform. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #232 |
235. She can't do the routine, she can't perform |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #235 |
239. Change the fucking routine. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #239 |
243. Then it is no longer the same sport |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #243 |
249. Cheerleading is not a sport. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Neither is football! |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #249 |
321. Tell it to the thousands of people who start training |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #243 |
329. Hey Watson, all these posts saying what disabled CAN'T and SHOULDN'T do --they are your legacy |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #235 |
242. Again. Why can't she? |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #197 |
270. She can't cheer exactly the way the other girls can |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #270 |
277. People cheering in the stands aren't cheerleaders, are they? |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. In the Boston Marathon |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:53 PM Response to Reply #279 |
280. And she would be cheering. Just not doing backflips and stuff. |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:55 PM Response to Reply #280 |
282. You brought up the analogy |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #282 |
283. Your analogy was in no way a natural conclusion n/t |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #283 |
284. YOU brought up the Boston Marathon |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #284 |
288. Where do you get that I don't think it's a sport? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #284 |
289. Where do you get that I don't think it's a sport? |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #279 |
328. lol...I just had a vision of a Wal*Mart shopper scooter brigade in the Boston Marathon. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #196 |
209. "Sport" . Cheerleading is NOT a sport |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #161 |
206. So... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:45 PM Response to Reply #206 |
211. Fundamentally altering the "activity" is not a reasonable accommodation |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:50 PM Response to Reply #211 |
218. Cheerleading is NOT a sport. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #218 |
227. Debate isn't a sport either |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #211 |
219. It's not reasonable according to you. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. To me, to the team, to the school, to the courts to the ADA it is not reasonable |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #225 |
228. SHow me where the courts and ADA say it is. |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #228 |
234. The courts have refused to take up her case |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:05 PM Response to Reply #234 |
240. Link? |
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241. Deleted message |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:09 PM Response to Reply #241 |
244. There was nothing in the article about a court case rejected nt. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:51 PM Response to Reply #211 |
220. It's not reasonable according to you. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
71. Familiar posts. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:19 AM Response to Reply #47 |
119. You've obviously never been to a modern day cheer competition.. |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:37 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. And like it or not, it's based on CHEERING. For HIGH SCHOOL. I read the article. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:52 AM Response to Reply #121 |
126. And, as I said above, |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:59 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. Oh, now it's mudslinging! |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:02 AM Response to Reply #130 |
132. I was merely quoting you... |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:02 AM Response to Reply #132 |
133. Now it's out of context time... n/t |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #119 |
214. Isn't that nice. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #214 |
319. Obviously you haven't been to a modern day cheer |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #319 |
327. No, I hav'nt |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #42 |
95. The ADA still says you HAVE to be able to perform the basic tasks of the job... |
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liberalhistorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #39 |
188. The ADA also states that the individual |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
274. see, you just support whatever metric can exclude people |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
88. Bingo |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. I think that's the crux of the matter right there. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:56 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. There are possibilities, too |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:30 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. I know. I don't get this argument that she has unreasonable expectations. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:14 AM Response to Reply #101 |
115. I think one person upthread used to word "outdated" |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
113. That's what I was getting at |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:05 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Right on |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
245. Yes! nt |
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wickerwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #88 |
155. +1. This is a lost opportunity for the school |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:32 AM Response to Reply #155 |
175. For sure |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #155 |
247. Yes! nt |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
96. Cheerleading is a very athletic activity. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #96 |
156. So is running a marathon. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #156 |
311. Atheletes in wheelchairs are absolutely capable of competing in a marathon. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #311 |
313. Because he was already playing first base |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:27 PM Response to Reply #96 |
204. They aren't being protected from disappointment |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #204 |
312. I don't know why anyone would want to be a "mascot" nt |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #312 |
323. Yeah, like there's nothing patronizing about telling someone what they should want. n/t |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
26. Honorary cheerleader |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
33. I really have to wonder at her parents. If your child is born without certain capabilities, |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:42 AM Response to Original message |
37. There's adaptive dance. Why not adaptive cheer? |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Great, let her start her own Adaptive Cheer group to go along with the other one. n/t |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. If you'd seen the clip, you'd know that AXIS consists of both traditional and wheelchair dancers. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. I saw that routine and though of it as well. We must note however, it was a woman working with the |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
80. That's a WONDERFUL IDEA! I hope the young woman would reach out to others and find a mentor |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
44. I wanted to be a porn star in high school |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Were you . . . ah . . . physically qualified? |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
62. No |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #62 |
139. Just switch to metric |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. The bright side is now you can appeal re: the ADA on account of blindness. |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #53 |
63. . |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. I don't know what kind of reasonable accommodation there is for her. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Not to sound cruel here, but she shouldn't be allowed on the cheerleading team. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. maybe that concept of cheerleading, that everybody needs to be able to do the same thing |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 03:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. How do you make it fair and objective? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. you're saying what they have now is fair and objective? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. There is a minimum skill set |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. what about that pitcher for the Angels a while back? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Shall we think for second? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. In the World Series there's a designated hitter for all games? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Did they change the game or selection process for him? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. well you said he met minimum requirements, now you're saying --well they didn't change rules... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Are you hung up on the batting issue? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. but that's not what you said at first --and you used it as a premise of your statement |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:11 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. But there was no accommodation made for him |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:20 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. who the hell are you to oppose an accomodation? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. She doesn't deserve an accommodation |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. i hope everybody looks at your comment |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:14 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. I don't think mine is a minority view. nt |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #103 |
112. almost nobody else here is posting a dozen times to keep her off the team |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #94 |
141. that's not what ADA says, but being wrong never stops you from posting |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #141 |
152. I was just perusing the ADA |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #152 |
179. again, am i arguing with a conservative or not? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #179 |
182. Am I talking with someone who uses facts and reason? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #182 |
186. yes and the way you handled losing the baseball argument shows that you don't rely on those |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
226. You have an interesting definition of losing |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #226 |
248. , |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #248 |
263. Wise choice. nt |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:17 PM Response to Reply #263 |
266. I posted in the wrong spot. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:18 AM Response to Reply #141 |
165. This is what the Supreme Court says about the ADA and sports |
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178. Deleted message |
Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #165 |
180. Can you point out in the article |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. Please don't put words in my mouth |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. I don't have to put words in your mouth. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:02 PM Response to Reply #184 |
237. Since the team exists to compete |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #237 |
246. Why does she get to decide... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #246 |
261. They don't have to make accommodations - that's the point |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #261 |
265. Are you an expert on the ADA? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:28 PM Response to Reply #265 |
269. I have at least taken the time to read it. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:55 PM Response to Reply #165 |
224. Cheerleading is not a sport. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #224 |
233. They compete in judged events |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #233 |
253. So do artists, in juried shows. So do musicians, in competitions. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #253 |
260. But it still requires a high level of gymnastic skill |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #260 |
272. Requires? According to whom? |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #272 |
275. It is up to the school to decide the requirements |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #275 |
278. Aha! |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #278 |
281. You are wrong |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:10 PM Response to Reply #281 |
287. She's not asking them to change the job of cheerleading just for her. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #287 |
290. But she has to be able to do them to be part of the team |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #290 |
292. No, she doesn't. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:25 PM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Why do you keep ignoring the competitive part? |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:30 PM Response to Reply #295 |
297. Because the competitive part isn't the entire part of cheerleading. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:32 PM Response to Reply #260 |
273. Accomodate. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #273 |
276. What if the judge disagrees? |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #276 |
286. Are'nt there somethings more important than winning? |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #224 |
262. Cheerleading is most definitely a sport. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #141 |
259. Mean people suck |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
117. No... |
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Klietzlander (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
85. But that isn't a cheerleading squad. |
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Drahthaardogs (482 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
99. I am all for finding MORE talent |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:59 AM Response to Reply #99 |
142. the NBA isn't a public school |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:35 AM Response to Reply #99 |
181. what's the physical defintion, by the rule book that every cheerleader needs to meet? |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
198. Likewise if people want to draw in math club |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:21 PM Response to Reply #198 |
293. she's not asking to draw in the math club, she's asking to cheer with cheerleaders |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
91. As a cheer coach I will chime in... |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
97. Wow! What a sensible and reasonable solution. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #91 |
143. Elementary schools have cheerleaders now? |
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smokey nj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #143 |
153. They've had them for decades. The parochial elementary school I attended |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #143 |
163. I don't dress my kids in sexy cheering outfits and I don't let them do any |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #91 |
185. That sounds fair to me... |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
231. ! |
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Enrique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
98. i dont know about the lawsuit, but... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:13 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. I don't think you understand how cheer leading has changed |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #102 |
258. I see. Its like beauty pagents |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:14 PM Response to Reply #258 |
264. No, it's not like a beauty pageant at all. |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
108. Some days this place is just like a bar fight in a Western... |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-13-11 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
109. You go Julia! |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:54 AM Response to Original message |
116. I see a safety issue here |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:07 PM Response to Reply #116 |
285. should people in wheelchairs be banned from the sidelines of athletic events? |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #285 |
291. Yeah |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #291 |
294. yeah, sometimes you read things here that seem to come out of left field |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #294 |
299. Apparently , wheelchairbound sideliners ruining athletic careers is a common problem |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #299 |
308. those posters are trippin |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 05:07 PM Response to Reply #285 |
310. During play? Oh hell yes they should be banned-- |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #310 |
315. BS --people are allowed on the sidelines during games --but people in wheelchairs are not? |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:32 AM Response to Original message |
120. Sue God... |
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WatsonT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:23 AM Response to Reply #120 |
140. He never pays though |
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yella_dawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
144. They're suing because their daughter can't get into exotic dancer classes? |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
174. IIRC under the ADA accomodations have to be "reasonable". I can't fathom any "reasonable" way to put |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
201. As a former cheerleader... |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #201 |
255. Yes. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
256. Go Julia! You got the spirit girl! |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
257. MEAN PEOPLE SUCK |
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Aerows (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
267. She isn't just "disabled" |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #267 |
296. I read the article again just to make sure. But I can't find an actual lawsuit mentioned. |
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Islandlife (135 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 10:19 PM Response to Reply #296 |
322. Well Read |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:42 PM Response to Reply #267 |
298. Those menacing disabled people and their damn wheelchairs |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:49 PM Response to Reply #267 |
300. quick, get security! |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:56 PM Response to Reply #300 |
301. O.M.G! |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:58 PM Response to Reply #300 |
302. Didn't that player qualify to be part of the team originally and got hurt playing? |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #302 |
303. please keep up with the exchange you're involving yourself in |
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Zywiec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #303 |
304. You're right. This is such a silly discussion. I should have known better. n/t |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:05 PM Response to Reply #304 |
305. It does appear as though the wheelchair guy.... |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:37 PM Response to Reply #267 |
309. ^ & ^ |
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jeepnstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 08:18 AM Response to Reply #267 |
325. Winning competitions is a bogus excuse. |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
306. This thread |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #306 |
317. That's life... |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #317 |
318. Most of us have left high school behind. Thank God! |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 09:03 PM Response to Reply #318 |
320. What on earth are you getting all nasty about? |
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Vanje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 04:31 PM Response to Original message |
307. dupe |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 06:21 PM Response to Original message |
314. They should put her on the team. |
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Imajika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-14-11 08:06 PM Response to Original message |
316. Sorry, Julia is pretty obviously too disabled to be a cheerleader... |
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JCMach1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
324. But what if you are ADHD and can't remember the cheers... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-15-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
326. I'd like to recommend a short story by Kurt Vonnegut, Jr. at this point in the discussion |
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