Obama defeats GOP Domestic Terrorists holding the nation's economy hostage

jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:23 AM
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Obama defeats GOP Domestic Terrorists holding the nation's economy hostage

Pity the fools

yup

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:24 AM
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1. Really? When did this happen?

Last I heard, negotiations were still at an impasse and no deal has been done.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:25 AM
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2. They blinked - there will be no default

the end

yup

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:27 AM
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5. And you know this how?

McConnell's plan? Sorry, don't buy it.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:29 AM
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7. Because Boner and the Chinless Wonder said so

no default

yup

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:30 AM
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9. Really? Can you give me a quote where they state that they won't allow a default?

Thanks.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:32 AM
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10. I saw it on the TeeVee last night - on LO'D

Pay attention

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:33 AM
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12. You believe everything you see on TV? That's foolish.

So your evidence is an opinion piece by a biased infotainment dude. That's really solid, not.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:41 AM
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17. Here ya go - from the Chinless Wonder...

Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 06:41 AM by jpak

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/12/mcconnell-gop-doesnt-want-government-default/

"Republicans will choose a path that actually reflects the will of the people which is to do the responsible thing and ensure that the government does not default on its obligations," McConnell said."

From the Boner...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-tea-party-the-debt-ceiling-and-john-boehners-conundrum/2011/07/11/gIQAZMESAI_blog.html

�I agree with the president we cannot allow our nation to default on our debt,�

No default for you

now run along

:D

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:43 AM
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20. And yet funny, no deal has been done yet,

And somehow I doubt we're any closer to one being done.

Run along your own self.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:47 AM
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25. There will be no default and without that gun pointed at the nation's head - the GOP's got nothin'

Obama beat 'em like a bad piece of meat

game over

yup

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:49 AM
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27. Again, where is a deal, and what is in it?

Oh, yeah, there is none yet.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:51 AM
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28. The Default Threat has evaporated and there will be no cuts to SS or Medicare

sorry to burst yer bubble

yup

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:55 AM
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29. Really, and you know this how?

Those who are still living in reality recognize that there is still a default threat, and what other deal, besides the one offering up SS and Medicare cuts, are the GOP going to grab ahold of? McConnell's plan? That's an unconstitutional non-starter.

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:59 AM
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30. Sorry - the "Obama throws SS+Medicare under the bus" fantasy will not materialize

Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 06:59 AM by jpak

get over it

yup

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dionysus

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Wed Jul-13-11 10:44 AM
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43. now now, they're hoping to hell obama screws this up. don't mess with ppls dreams like that...

Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 10:44 AM by dionysus

;)

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AlinPA

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:23 AM
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37. The teabaggers will not allow the debt ceiling to be raised by their republican house.

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malaise

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:26 AM
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3. The ReTHUGs' owners have told them to stop fugging

around with their interests.
The hostage situation is over. They tried to play politics with the debt ceiling and it has back=fired.

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:28 AM
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6. And you have heard this from whom?

From TV pundits? TV pundits are, quite frequently, in the wrong.

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malaise

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:37 AM
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14. No - over 400 letters from corporate interests were sent to them

and their own pundits have been telling them to stop fugging around with 'their owners'.

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:39 AM
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16. Actually it was a letter with four hundred signatures,

Please, details do matter.

And their own pundits, last I heard, yesterday, were still cheering the 'Pugs on to go for default.

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malaise

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:04 AM
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33. So you knew about the letter

Good for the details

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:44 AM
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22. The Obama Fail Squad is wrong - Obama made them eat their peas

and broccoli and brussels sprouts and liver and Limburger and...

:rofl:

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:46 AM
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24. Hmm, has a deal been made yet?

No, you are simply jumping to conclusions based on the vague statements of two Senators.

Well, given the Obama track record, I can understand taking two vague statements and turning them into victory, you need every "victory" you can get.

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Zoeisright

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Wed Jul-13-11 08:36 AM
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39. Yep!

I love it.

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joshcryer

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:27 AM
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4. Do you have any evidence to suggest that no deal will be done?

Because the evidence as it exists now indicates that they have nothing to go on and they're basically toast.

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:29 AM
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8. What "evidence" are you talking about? n/t

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annabanana

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:33 AM
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11. very apt handle you have there

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4916967

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:37 AM
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15. Very elementary school of you there, making fun of people's names

As far as your "evidence", it is an opinion piece about McConnell's "last chance" option. Not really evidence that would hold up in court now, is it.

Not to mention that any chance of adapting this plan is exactly nil. The Constitutionality issues alone preclude that.

But keep dancing in circles in your own little bubble. Meanwhile, back here in reality, nothing has changed.

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joshcryer

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:35 AM
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13. Ask Google news!

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/170857-van-hollen-boehners-legs-cut-out-from-under-him-in-talks

One of the first hits for Boehner...

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:41 AM
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18. And in non-biased sources, we're seeing exactly 0 about this

Hmmm,
<http://www.nytimes.com/>

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madokie

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:44 AM
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21. Evidence of where you're coming from

besides just pulling it out of your arse.
If you're a teacher then why are you so dense? I ask

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MadHound

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:48 AM
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26. Umm, no deal has been done

And that is what really matters, wouldn't you agree? When, if a deal is done, and what is included in that deal.

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madokie

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:15 AM
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34. The way I understand it they blinked

Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 07:16 AM by madokie

meaning that no deal is necessary. Pretty much what I'm reading everywhere except here on DU by Obama haters, even our local paper has it that way. The republiCONs are going to allow the debt ceiling to be raised, simple as that. No deals, no more negotiations, its done.

I see the unrec'rs have got to this one. Can't have any truth or logic here now can we???

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jpak

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:17 AM
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35. Exactly

game over

:hi:

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madokie

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:20 AM
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36. Its easy to tell who is and who isn't

going to be voting for the President around here come election time, huh
:hi:

All we need as a country about right now is the pukes to take the white house again. If that was to happen we're totally fucked as in six ways to sunday

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safeinOhio

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:42 AM
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19. The CC has spoken

The GoP Has no options now.

You have nailed it.

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mmonk

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Wed Jul-13-11 06:45 AM
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23. If so, why is the public square still being dismanteled along with our legal protections in lieu

of corporations? This country is still toast as long as supply side economics is fully in charge.

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TheKentuckian

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:01 AM
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31. Shit, we are far from out of the woods on this issue.

There never was a danger of default for the exact reason there is no danger now, the money people aren't having it. Their schemes are dependent on free to cheap money and driving up interest rates on the Treasury ATM is not good for profits.

This austerity conversation is far from over but Obama has already surrendered in principle the only discussion is how deep to cut and whether to privatize or not.

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WingDinger

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Wed Jul-13-11 08:31 AM
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38. NOT, he may busy himself with reducing costs, and decreasing paperwork.

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ForeignandDomestic

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Wed Jul-13-11 07:03 AM
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32. ....

You mean Wall street made them cave? Only after they realized the Democrats ie: the country wasn't gonna let their other puppets in the administration slased Medicare and Social Security.

We need to wake up to this game of chess that is beaing played and realized who the pawns are.

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bvar22

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Wed Jul-13-11 09:49 AM
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40. So our Democratic President..

...agrees to $Trillions (2-4) in "Spending Cuts" during a recession and Jobs Crisis,
puts Social Security & Medicare "on the table",
and some are calling this a WIN? :shrug:

...because McConnell "blinked". WTF?

Sounds like the Republicans got everything they wanted....AGAIN.

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plcdude

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Wed Jul-13-11 10:05 AM
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41. wow

nothing is agreed upon. The Republicans rejected the 4 trillion dollar package because it included revenues from ending tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations. What our President did was first to untie the knot the republicans had on debt ceiling and debt reduction. The Republicans have admitted that the debt ceiling needs to be raised. Now hopefully the position as reflected by the Democratic reps (and some Republicans) with regard to debt reduction should be no cuts in SS, Medicare, and Medicaid and tax breaks for the wealthy and corporations should end.

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bvar22

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Wed Jul-13-11 10:38 AM
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42. You DO realize that the Republicans would have NEVER..

...allowed us to reach the Debt Ceiling.
Their BIG financial backers would have NEVER allowed it.
It was ALL a bluff to allow Obama and the to move to the RIGHT,
and whether you wish to admit it or not,
they were successful.

Social Security & Medicare (what Obama has agreed are "Entitlements")
ARE now "On the Table",
and there will indeed be deep "spending cuts" during a Recession & Jobs Crisis,
something a "DEMOCRAT" would never Say or Do.

Repeat: The Republicans would have NEVER allowed us to hit the Debt Ceiling.
It was a BLUFF.
The National Debate has now moved WAY to the RIGHT,
with our Democratic President adopting ALL the Republican Framing.

A WIN???
...not for this old mainstream FDR/LBJ DEMOCRAT.

Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

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Marr

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Wed Jul-13-11 10:50 AM
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44. You know, I honestly didn't realize what they were celebrating until I read your post.

I'd forgotten that some people were still insisting that transparently phony threat to crash the economy was sincere.

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dionysus

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Wed Jul-13-11 10:58 AM
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45. simple reality states, because there was no deal, that they got nothing. guess you don't get it.

:rofl:

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bvar22

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Wed Jul-13-11 12:05 PM
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46. ...maybe YOUR "reality",

But in the real World of this old, mainstream FDR/LBJ DEMOCRAT,
our leadership has crossed the Rubicon on several Untouchable Democratic Values.
The Republican BLUFF of not raising the Debt Ceiling forced (allowed?) Obama and the Dem Leadership
to move WAY to the RIGHT, and adopt the Republican Framing.

*Massive Spending Cuts during a Recession and Jobs Crisis?

*Social Security & Medicare cuts as a Bargaining Chips?

*"Entitlements"?

*"Debt Crisis"?

---ALL from a "Democrat"?
Are you kidding me?

"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone

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