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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:21 PM
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S.F. considering making ex-cons a protected class for renting / jobs
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 03:21 PM by Liberal_in_LA
S.F. weighs protecting ex-cons seeking homes, jobs


Ex-convicts may soon become a "protected class" in San Francisco - joining African Americans, Latinos, gays, transgender people, pregnant women and the disabled.

A proposal being circulated at City Hall would make it illegal for landlords and employers to discriminate against applicants solely because they were "previously incarcerated."

Sex offenders and perpetrators of some violent crimes would not be covered.

It would also be illegal to ask anyone about their criminal past on an initial job or housing application.

"The mechanics still need to be worked out," said Supervisor and sheriff candidate Ross Mirkarimi.

"This is a very important discussion on the eve of an immense state prisoner realignment that's going to return hundreds of prisoners back to San Francisco," Mirkarimi said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/12/BA161K9LGE.DTL#ixzz1S1DIhcdC
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:23 PM
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1. For too long ex-cons have had to deal with rules and regulations
that made their integration back into society impossible.

I'm a proud San Franciscan. :patriot:
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:24 PM
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2. Good. I always wondered why we insist on treating ex-cons like second-class
citizens long after they have supposedly paid their debt to society in full.....
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:39 PM
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17. Because it's more costly and risker
Making them second class citizens is more profitable to businesses and the government agencies dedicated towards them.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:20 PM
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19. Government agencies are not for profit. It's more profitable to BUSINESS
to deny them their civil rights.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:24 PM
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3. I don't have a problem with this
If convicts who have served their time and paid their price to society cannot re-integrate into the community, they will obviously have a higher rate of recidivism.

Obviously this cannot apply to violent or sexual offenders...but for non-violent crime? Absolutely.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:31 PM
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4. Only uncircumcised ex-cons will be protected, however.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:41 PM
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5. I thought they were already protected by Federal law?
Also, what about certain sex offenders?
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:53 PM
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7. Wait, never mind.
"Sex offenders and perpetrators of some violent crimes would not be covered."

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socialshockwave Donating Member (637 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:53 PM
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6. Dunno about you
But I'd not want to rent to a known thief, or employ someone in a daycare accused of fraud.

/shrug

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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:13 PM
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9. You don't have to hire someone
This prohibits you from asking on the initial application. The idea is to let the applicant get in the door for an interview to convince you of their merits. It is dumb for businesses that require criminal background checks by law to have to waste their time scheduling an interview for someone the state will not let them hire.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:16 PM
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11. I'm more afraid of the thief that HASN'T been caught
the ones that have paid a price for stealing just might have learned a lesson or two...the ones that haven't been caught yet...welll....no database there to help you discriminate!
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 03:59 PM
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8. How terribly decent of them.
'Bout fucking time.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:14 PM
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10. What do they mean by "some " violent crimes,
I know that most people deserve a second chance but no one convicted of any violent crime should be given protected class status. If I were a victim of such a crime, I would be outraged. Especially if it was my neighborhood, or even worse, my apartment building that he (or she) moved into.

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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:20 PM
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12. Well...probably going to take a hit for this one
A couple of drunk bar patrons getting into a fight in a bar and one ending up more harmed than the other isn't on the same level as someone robbing a store and beating the shit out of the person behind the counter.

I can imagine those are the types of distinctions that would be made.

And for the record...neither is okay.
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Abq_Sarah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:28 PM
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14. Neither is okay
But I tend to look at factors such as alcohol use, how long ago the event occurred, etc.. Someone who got into a bar fight 10 years ago and has since given up drinking shouldn't be stigmatized for life for a crime they've already paid for.
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Jkid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:41 PM
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18. When they meant "some" violent crimes, I think one of those crimes is 1st degree murder.
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RandySF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:28 PM
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13. "The mechanics still need to be worked out,"
I think the mechanics should be worked out before it becomes law.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:35 PM
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16. Well that certainly be a good thing, but it is San Francisco,
I always get the feeling that they are a little disorganized. Anyone from San Francisco, please forgive me if I am wrong. I love it there.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:47 PM
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20. No more than any other small city.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:49 PM
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21. It is a proposal being kicked around City Hall. It is not a proposal slated for a vote.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 04:34 PM
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15. Doesn't Germany already do something like this?
IIRC (I could be wrong, but...) in Germany, if you commit a crime, and serve time in prison, once you're released from prison, your criminal record is sealed, and will not show up in background checks. Furthermore, the media is forbidden from printing or broadcasting stories about your crimes. The purpose is to give you a chance to get an honest job where you can make a decent living, and ensure that scarlet-lettering does not prevent you from being able to get work and live honestly. Of course, if you reoffend, you're right back in prison, and with a much longer sentence.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:54 PM
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22. I'm not opposed to this.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 05:58 PM
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23. It'd be nice if they did the same for people whose credit score has been decimated..
through no fault of their own.

It happened to me, and I'm pretty sure it's why I'm having such a hard time finding a job.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:01 PM
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24. As a one unit landlord, I decided to do criminal background checks on final rental candidates,,,
Edited on Wed Jul-13-11 06:02 PM by aikoaiko

...as well as credit checks. I'm a believer in past behavior being the best (albeit not perfect) predictor of future behavior.

But if I lived in SFCA, I would follow the law.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:04 PM
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25. This is problematic. I don't want certani ex-cons working in Nursing Homes, for instance
or people who have embezzled working in the accounting office. I can think of quite a few other examples.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-11 06:20 PM
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26. Wow. Sanity and compassion.

San Francisco is in the wrong country.



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