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LAGC

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Thu Jul-14-11 08:51 AM
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Wow, Authorities Really Dropped the Ball on Loughner

Listen to this shit just released from his college records:

(CNN) -- Some police reports and e-mails -- among the thousands of pages of documents released this week by the Arizona community college where Jared Loughner was enrolled -- show the alleged Tucson shooter repeatedly accusing his college of "scamming" him and claiming his freedom of speech was being stolen.
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On June 1, 2010, Loughner disrupted a math class "when he made reference to a problem that the instructor was trying to explain and argued with the instructor on the number used," according to police report dated June 3, 2010.
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The officers told the administrator they believed Loughner had "a mental health concern," according to the incident report.

On September 29, campus police investigated a "suspicious video" posted about a week before on YouTube, titled "Pima Community College School-Genocide/Scam-Free Education-Broken United States Constitution," in which the narrator said things such as "We are examining the torture of students," and "This is my genocide school," and complained that he was "going to be homeless because of this school."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/07/14/arizona.loughner.documents/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

This kid was CRYING for help, and everyone involved did absolutely nothing. They all just passed the buck. Untreated schizophrenia is no joke, someone should have taken all his warning signs seriously and checked that mother fucker in to a shrink to see what the fuck was going on inside that "beautiful" mind.

There was way more than enough symptoms/evidence to check that mother fucker into a psych ward. How could everyone be so blind?

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jeepnstein

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Thu Jul-14-11 08:58 AM
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1. Mental Health care...

is largely unavailable to much of the population in this country. It's simply unobtainable. Add to that the fact that even his family didn't see fit to step in and try to find help and he was just a ticking bomb.

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RobinA

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Thu Jul-14-11 11:56 AM
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10. In Addition

to this fact, in very few states can you force someone to get treatment, especially if they haven't done anything. Yet.

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elehhhhna

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Thu Jul-14-11 01:37 PM
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13. Correct. Maybe an overnight old -- and the stuff referenced int he post isn't

actionable for a warrant, most likely. He'd have to pretty much put his nasty "plan" in writing -- and if it weren't explicit enough, he might have earned a stern talking to from the P.D.

For parents struggling w/ addict/suspected addict teens: THIS IS WHY YOU MUST PUT YOUR DRUGGIE 17 YEAR OLD IN REHAB NOW. Once they're 18 they can sign themselves out.

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beevul

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:07 AM
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2. I wonder how it is...

I wonder how it is, that only now after all the foot stamping and clamor for "more gun laws", and the subsequent rejection of it...that this comes out. They knew everything there was to know about the firearm he used within just a couple hours, remember.

I believe the parents worked for...the county was it?

I always thought there was something...cover-his-ass-ish...about dupnik pointing the finger at gun control.

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Hoopla Phil

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:10 AM
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4. But here's the thing. It WAS out almost the very next day on how disturbed

this guy was. It was also known that his mother worked for the county Parks and Rec department (IIRC). It just was not widely reported.

Had the sheriff done his job Lochner would have been a disqualified buyer.

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beevul

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:14 AM
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7. Perhaps, its just as you say.

"not widely reported."

Of course, that begs several other questions, if thats the case.

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Hoopla Phil

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:08 AM
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3. It's been talked about here several times before.

Lochner had several run ins with the law. Speculation is that the Sheriff "looked the other way" as a courtesy to Lochner's mother who is a county employee and may be a personal friend of the sheriff's.

Had the sheriff gone by the book Lochner would have been a disqualified buyer.

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elocs

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:11 AM
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5. How is it that if someone who suffers from a severe mental illness they are considered to be

a "mother fucker" because of having that illness? His actions were unquestionably heinous, but the mentally ill are far more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the criminal, and they are more likely to be a danger to themselves than anyone else.

As someone who has a loved one with schizophrenia who is an adult you are told by the police and those in authority that they have rights. It's not a simple matter for parents or those concerned to get something done against their wishes.

Until the mentally ill actually do something that merits hospitalization, warning signs by themselves are often not enough. They are not casually thrown into the psych ward.

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Atypical Liberal

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Thu Jul-14-11 11:09 AM
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8. Exactly right.

Not so long ago people were committed very easily and involuntarily to mental institutions. Problem children, "promiscuous" young adults. It has gotten harder to involuntarily commit people and this is probably a good thing overall.

Just look at what they did to Rosemary Kennedy.

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hedgehog

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Thu Jul-14-11 12:06 PM
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12. I'd like to offer a word of defense for Joseph Kennedy.

It's not clear what Rosemary's diagnosis was, but it is clear that she was becoming increasingly impulsive and sometimes violent. True, the men in the family were sexually promiscuous, but this isn't a simple case of sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander. The men were functioning adults. The indications are that Rosemary was naive at best, possibly a child emotionally. I think Joe Kennedy was worried about his daughter, convinced himself the surgery would protect her, and was devastated at the result.

It is true that in the past "troublesome" people were often admitted to mental institutions improperly. It is also true that then and now, families are desperate for a means to protect and cure their mentally ill children. It is also true that sometimes it is difficult to draw a line between willful behavior and mental illness.

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LAGC

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Thu Jul-14-11 10:46 PM
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15. You're right, I shouldn't have used that term.

"MoFo."

He really was a victim of his illness just as much as he was a perpetrator of a heinous crime.

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DonP

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Thu Jul-14-11 09:13 AM
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6. The college knew, the sheriff knew and his family knew

But just like Cho at V Tech, nobody wanted to "brand him" as "a problem" and possible mental health issue.

Well meaning (or just lazy, uninvolved people) that let a mad dog run free until it was too late.

Based on what we're learning now I'm beginning to understand why that local sheriff was so quick to blame any and everybody else for Loughner's behavior, before they saw how many police reports were ignored.

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RobinA

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Thu Jul-14-11 12:05 PM
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11. It's Not Only That

You can't lock up or hospitalize everybody walking around who demonstrates mental illness. If I recall correctly, Cho never did anything all that unusual for an alienated young adult male. In order to get the Chos off the street BEFORE they do something you have to lock up every kid who ever threatened in a moment of anger to "blow up the school"

Of course, there COULD be better treatment, since I believe Cho did receive some treatment, but that would ost , money.

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SteveM

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Thu Jul-14-11 11:19 AM
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9. Austin is full of people who fly off the handle (and do) at any time...

Being the capital of Texas, we have the main mental institution, and everyone in the state knows it. It's called "Greyhound Therapy:" If a locality has a problem case with a ranting, belligerent patient/criminal, they give 'em a one-way ticket to liberally/shmiberally Austin. Been going on for years. In this town, they are often the "homeless," and they have stronger advocates than do the old farts trying to get their SS checks. Loughner didn't fall through a crack, he fell into a canyon.

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Thu Jul-14-11 02:17 PM
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14. Thanks Reagan.

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