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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:44 PM
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Poll question: Trying to get a clear view of our priorities: Cut SS/Medicare or not?
Edited on Thu Jul-14-11 01:54 PM by Doctor_J
Apparently the president won the theater battle by scolding Cantor. But to get back to the point of the discussions

I edited option 1
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:45 PM
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1. What cuts?
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:48 PM
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4. As Krugman points out today, the cuts the president has already conceded to
are more than even the average REPUBLICAN voter wants. So play dumb if you like, but you'll have to face the truth at some point.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:03 PM
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19. We'll see what he finally does.
If he pushes cuts to SS and/or Medicare, he will lose my vote.

Clear enough for you?
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:31 PM
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32. They shouldn't be part of the negotiations, Waiting in not an option. Clear enough for you?
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:34 PM
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34. Is that the line in the sand?
It's your vote, waste it if you choose to. But it doesn't make sense to carp on what isn't happening.

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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:14 PM
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35. I am pretty sure I wasted my vote last time
as heartbreaking as it is to admit, the only thing different is the rate at which we're turning into a 3rd world country. And since, as has already been pointed out, the president has already offered more concessions than I'm comfortable with, the end result will not be to my liking.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:22 PM
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38. We disagree on many things.
The end result is yet to be seen.
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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:46 PM
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2. 4 for 4 for no cuts whatsoever - so far!
Let's keep it up!
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:46 PM
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3. The fact that he already suggested raising the Medicare age lost me.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:50 PM
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8. Me too. It seems like supporters are trying to make yesterday's
stage show out to be an indication that the prez is trying to reel the discussion back to our side. I don't really see it, but this poll is a different thing altogether.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:53 PM
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12. Yep. Let's not forget considering "trimming benefits" statement from MOnday's presser
or Jay Carney being a complete weasel over "slashing" social security

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/The-Vote/2011/0707/Briefing-room-word-games-What-s-a-slash-versus-a-cut-in-Social-Security
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:57 PM
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16. That was revolting - reminded me of Smirk
looking under the table for WMD. ABout par for the course for the Village Idiot, but rally sad coming from a Dem that I gave money to.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:14 PM
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30. Me too...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:49 PM
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:51 PM
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10. My thought exactly. Hahaha
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:09 PM
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ellenfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:49 PM
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6. why is he doing what even gwb didn't do? eom
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:52 PM
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11. Because Dem voters would not accept this from a Repuke president
but from a (D), they will. It's the same way with teachers' union members.
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jtown1123 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:54 PM
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14. Exactly. It's hard for Dems to be unified against a Dem Pres.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:50 PM
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7. Cut waste, fraud & corruption in the system.
then see if we can afford to scale back benefits
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CaliforniaHiker Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:56 PM
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15. Social Security and Medicare are some the last things
that we should even consider trying to cut out of the Federal Budget. I am truly amazed that they are even theoretically on the table.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:04 PM
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20. SS has never contributed a single penny to the deficit
what's more, the "Waste fraud and corruption" in Medicare and SS are dwarfed by those in private industry. So your sound bite isn't reality-based.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:07 PM
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22. Medicare fraud is not a problem?
silly me to think that

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/13/2312972/three-more-plead-guilty-in-200.html

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/10/23/60minutes/main5414390.shtml

http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2011pres/02/20110217a.html
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:12 PM
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27. Maybe, but I don't think cutting peoples' benefits will help.
Nor will raising the elligibility age from 65 to 67
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:30 PM
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31. I didn't mean lowering the quality or quantity or care
I meant cutting the cost to deliver the care.

Once that's accomplished, we can look at either expanding it or keeping it solvent for longer.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:17 PM
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36. But Obama has already offered to raise the eligibility age,
and joked about cutting benefits (but not "slashing", which Carney and the press corpse found hilarious). So they're not thinking about "first getting rid of fraud and waste".
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:59 PM
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39. I wasn't defending Obama's offer.
I was describing what should be done.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 03:19 PM
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37. That is even more true of the Pentagon.
And the Pentagon Budget directly affects the Deficit.

SS has nothing to do with the Fed. Budget since it is a separate fund. Why are we not hearing all this outrage over what actually does affect the Fed. Budget?? Why is SS even being mentioned, and so often, in this debate?

We, the people, who pay into SS, are creditors of the Fed. Gov. They OWE US. We are one of a list of creditors, like China eg. So why are we being talked about as if we were debtors?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 05:44 PM
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42. It's true of a lot of agencies - regardless of how it's funded.
my point is, how can we even talk about what & how much to cut when we can't get a fair assessment on how well we're delivering the services we're supposed to be delivering. Two trillion dollars missing from the Pentagon? Then we should be able to cut it by at least that much & still get what we know we've been paying for.

One thing I know for sure: privitization is not the solution - it'll just make it easier to steal from taxpayers.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:10 PM
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26. How would cutting anything from SS reduce the debt/deficit?
Can you explain that?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:31 PM
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33. I never said it would.
Just answering the poll question.

:shrug:
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:50 PM
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9. They came up with $13 Trillion to save Wall Street from the consequences of its own recklessness.
SS/Medicare/Medicaid should be completely off the table.
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roxiejules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:57 PM
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17. +1
Agreed
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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 01:54 PM
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13. I could never be convinced of cutting ss/med
with defense spending and unnecessary wars, and tax rates on the wealthy so low. Never. It's a sin.
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:01 PM
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18. Other.
The president must stand firm against ANY Medicare & SS cuts, period.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:05 PM
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21. that's #4
:shrug:
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William769 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:08 PM
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24. I changed one word.
From Should to must.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:13 PM
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28. K
:thumbsup:
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 02:13 PM
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29. Y need a 'get the fuck outta here' choice
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former9thward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 04:03 PM
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40. Zero cuts unless our War budget is cut first.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 04:33 PM
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41. There's only once choice of those for a Dem -
Anything else is bullshit.
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taught_me_patience Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-14-11 05:51 PM
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43. I'm ok with small cuts as long as the DOD gets chopped significantly.
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