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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 07:20 PM
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Meet the "Pea Party".
Salon's Michael Lind points out the deficit hawks and pea party patriots who have Obama's ear.

Meet the "Pea Party"

They're more upset over Grandma's Social Security than bonuses for bailed-out bankers -- and they have Obama's ear

In a news conference last week, President Obama, in a style far more mild than that of Rick Santelli, called on both sides in congressional negotiations to raise the debt ceiling to compromise in a deficit reduction plan: "Pull off the band-aid. Eat our peas." Without intending to, Obama gave a name to a movement that to date had been without one: the Pea Party.

What I am calling the Pea Party has been around for decades, of course. Paul Krugman has described this coalition as the "austerians." It consists of the public figures who have claimed for decades that budget deficits and the national debt, rather than other problems like insufficient innovation or inadequate middle-class wages, are the greatest threat to the future of the country. For decades, too, members of the Pea Party have insisted that we can no longer afford Social Security and Medicare for middle-class retirees. Since the Great Recession began, many members of this group have argued absurdly that a program of austerity, which further contracts demand in the economy, is the best cure for a near-depression caused by a lack of demand.


Long article, just one more snip.

Pea Party elitists can hardly disguise their disdain for ordinary Americans. Pundits sympathetic to the Pea Party program of imposing austerity on the middle class use terms like "grown-ups" and "adult supervision." Most Americans, it is implied, are greedy children. Sometimes this parental feeling toward mainstream Americans is expressed in more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger this-hurts-me-more-than-it-hurts-you tones. This was the condescending tone in which President Obama declared: "We must eat our peas."


In 2006 Senator Obama showed that he was quite aware of the dangers in store for those of us who are seniors and for the disabled or needy. He did not use those words, but his meaning is obvious. From his speech:

Bob and I have had a running debate now for about a year about how do we, in fact, deal with the losers in a globalized economy. There has been a tendency in the past for us to say, well, look, we have got to grow the pie, and we will retrain those who need retraining.

..."....Just remember, as we move forward, that there are real consequences to the work that is being done here. There are people in places like Decatur, Illinois, or Galesburg,Illinois, who have seen their jobs eliminated. They have lost their health care. They have lost their retirement security. They don't have a clear sense of how their children will succeed in the same way that they succeeded. They believe that this may be the first generation in which their children do worse than they do. ome of that, then, will end up manifesting itself in the sort of nativist sentiment, protectionism, and anti-immigration sentiment that we are debating here in Washington. So there are real consequences to the work that is being done here. This is not a bloodless process.

Hamiltonian Democrats


In Hissyspit's post today we see just what the president voluntarily put on the table, seemingly without much input from his own party. He just offered it up to them.

Among the provisions Obama to which Obama had said yes, according to a senior administration official, were the following:

Medicare: Raising the eligibility age, imposing higher premiums for upper income beneficiaries, changing the cost-sharing structure, and shifting Medigap insurance in ways that would likely reduce first-dollar coverage. This was to generate about $250 billion in ten-year savings. This was virtually identical to what Boehner offered.

Medicaid: Significant reductions in the federal contribution along with changes in taxes on providers, resulting in lower spending that would likely curb eligibility or benefits. This was to yield about $110 billion in savings. Boehner had sought more: About $140 billion. But that’s the kind of gap ongoing negotiation could close.

Social Security: Changing the formula for calculating cost-of-living increases in order to reduce future payouts. The idea was to close the long-term solvency gap by one-third, although it likely would have taken more than just this one reform to produce enough savings for that.

Paul Krugman...What Obama Was Willing to Give Away ("Horrifying")


In the long run this is not about Obama. We can be attacked and ridiculed for questioning his policies, but there is more to the story. He is hurting down ticket Democrats most likely in his compromising.

He is angering his own party, and amazingly the right is blaming him as well for putting the safety net programs on the table.

It is not just about him, it is about what ragged remnants will be left of the social safety net in this country. It is our business, we need to speak up, and he needs to listen.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 07:57 PM
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1. The only reasonable response to the "pea party" now in charge:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:19 PM
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17. Heh heh
:hi:
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 09:01 PM
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2. OR,
do they THINK they have his ear. which is what obama wants them to think.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 11:17 PM
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3. More from Salon on the "Pea Party"
"Robert Rubin, the Wall Street financier who served as Bill Clinton’s secretary of the Treasury, has been a major player in the Pea Party, both through his allies and protégés in key positions in the Clinton and Obama administrations and the Hamilton Project at the Brookings Institution, which he founded. Even more important than Rubin in Pea Party austerianism over the years has been Peter G. Peterson, Richard Nixon's Commerce secretary and the billionaire co-founder of the Blackstone Group, a leading private equity firm.

What Rupert Murdoch’s Fox News is to the Tea Party movement, Pete Peterson’s think tank and media empire is to the Pea Party crusade to spread alarm about Social Security and Medicare. To promote his views, Peterson created the Peter G. Peterson foundation (not to be confused with another of his projects, the more scholarly Peterson Institute) and funded a scare-mongering film, "IOUSA," and an ad campaign called "OweNo." Peterson has also bankrolled a number of astroturf or pseudo-grass roots campaigns, including "America Speaks" town hall meetings across the country designed to raise public alarm about deficits and debt."

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/07/19/lind_pea_party/index.html
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checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:05 AM
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4. "Pee Party" is more like it. n/t
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:15 AM
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5. Piss party is more like it.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:28 PM
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21. That sounds about right. n/t
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:24 PM
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19. Naturally, the Pee Party were the biggest advocates for...
...trickle-down economics.
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chervilant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 04:04 AM
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6. OMG! Will this EVER end?!
Sometimes this parental feeling toward mainstream Americans is expressed in more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger this-hurts-me-more-than-it-hurts-you tones. This was the condescending tone in which President Obama declared: "We must eat our peas."


Mr. Obama pegged the meter on condescension when he asserted that "YOU progressives" view the glass as "half empty," rather than half full. Cenk provided a great commentary on this stark glimpse of Obama's apparent disdain for progressives.

Quite a number of DUers are still willing to carry Obama's water, despite his many shortcomings and serious missteps. If he succeeds in pushing through this 'austerity' program, I'll be dead and cremated before this nation recovers--if indeed it ever does.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 04:39 AM
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7. Just sit back and let the Professional Politicians do their job
without interference from the people
because the people really do not understand how the Treasury works

Too bad the Professional Politicians do not understand either

A pretty worthless bunch of greedy fear mongers


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:05 PM
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23. Yep, that is just about the size of it.
They don't think we are smart enough to understand. I hate to tell them, but I am smart enough to know they are equating Soc. Sec. with the problems of billionaires. I never thought this would happen.
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 07:35 AM
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8. K&R 20 Years from now
how many will have to admit that they cheered in the new era of smug self-centeredness that is the pea party.

Waving flags and rebuffing any attempt to point out what is happening, former Democrats morphed into neo-democrats. They exchanged principle for personality as our party was taken over by the party of richard nixon. The reagan democrats came home to the party, bringing their gipper hero's policies with them.

The Democratic Party wasn't done in by the republicans. The party was consumed by the selfish whims of its own members.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:08 AM
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10. I remember Reagan's words about government.....
They did not alarm me at the time, but they do now because I see his philosophy in action.

"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'

Ronald Reagan"

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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 08:00 AM
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9. They like to use the term "emo liberals" to insult those of us who oppose these cuts
Somehow I doubt there will ever be a "Pea Underground"
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:17 AM
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11. What does that term mean?
I know it is meant to be insulting, but not familiar with the origin.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:24 AM
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12. We used to use cutting Social Security and Medicare as the HYPERBOLIC, COMEDIC examples
of the line in the sand that Democrats would never tolerate for capitulation.

Can you believe this crap we are expected to swallow?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:33 AM
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15. Now we are supposed to accept cutting them as part of the debt ceiling deal...
when they have no connection. They have no connection to the deficit. My mind is exploding.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:41 PM
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24. +1000000 It is a robbery.
I have been appalled at posts here on DU saying that we shouldn't accept SS and Medicare cuts "unless" increased revenues are part of the deal. As though we should be grateful, or consider that even remotely acceptable.

It is sick. It is evil. It is unconscionable.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 04:39 PM
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26. We should not have to accept those cuts at all. They just threw it in there
to say that everything is on the table. Being bipartisan...I hate that word.
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n2doc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:30 AM
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13. Short for "emotional"
Basically, overwrought, too emotional , like a teenaged girl at a rock concert...

see

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:32 AM
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14. Thanks. Yuck. How rude.
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 11:52 AM
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16. K&R
Edited on Sun Jul-24-11 11:53 AM by WorseBeforeBetter
(Oops, wrong spot. But kicking anyway...)
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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:26 PM
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20. Those that use this term
are amazed that people actually get emotional or concerned about other people. If it doesn't affect them, they see no reason to be upset. I've watched it used here to defend cutting SS and Medicare by those who don't think they will ever need those. So they don't see the problem. It only affects other people so why should you get all upset and emotional.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 01:37 PM
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22. The "sensible center" does not get emotional.
They just remain "sensible." :think:
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swilton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 12:23 PM
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18. K&R
The hubris that Obama must have to think that he can get away with this...Pride comes before a fall.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 03:43 PM
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25. Very important to clarify because this is SOOO important--he is destroying other Democrats
"In the long run this is not about Obama. We can be attacked and ridiculed for questioning his policies, but there is more to the story. He is hurting down ticket Democrats most likely in his compromising.

He is angering his own party, and amazingly the right is blaming him as well for putting the safety net programs on the table.

It is not just about him, it is about what ragged remnants will be left of the social safety net in this country. It is our business, we need to speak up, and he needs to listen."

K&R
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 05:06 PM
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27. K&R... and thanks again, MF.
Gratuitous Blue Link


Putting Social Security & Medicare On the Table like they are Bargaining Chips isn't Republican Lite.
There is NOTHING kinder or gentler about this move.
It is Hard Core Republicanism.
Not even Reagan would have dreamed of this.

What once was sacred to the Democratic Party,
is sacred no more.
How FAR we have fallen. :cry:



Who will STAND and FIGHT for THIS American Majority?
You will know them by their WORKS,
not by their excuses.

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Jefferson23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-11 09:43 PM
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28. Nightmare, irresponsible policies...how long is he going to get away with this? Perhaps Bernie is
more serious than just trying to get Obama's attention with talk of a primary challenge.

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