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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:22 PM
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Tweet I just received: "Sigh. Remember when Obama's speeches were uplifting?"
That would be during the campaign, I guess. Since assuming office?

Not so much.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:24 PM
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1. Well grow up then. This isn't about ideals, this is about money in DC.Their drug of choice.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:28 PM
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6. I'm not sure we disagree. They are definitely smack-addicts when it comes to elitist coin
That said, I still remember when we had, well, "hope." For a nanosecond or three.
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:42 PM
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20. Been a long time since the country heard of hope. He could have appealed more the populace, BUT
his point in the speech was to speak to the Freshmen congressmen/women and by extension to the American people. FDR ignored Congress in his fireside speeches and spoke to his people. Hence his appeal for 4 terms. Bear in mind that as a black representative, that would definably break new ground.

So we shall see what we shall see.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:47 PM
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27. well, we shall certainly see. Though based on what' s in the rearview mirror...
...the road ahead isn't looking particularly... FDRish...
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:52 PM
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32. No this is not an FDR age. This is both chartered and unchartered territory.
The repub's are pushing as hard as they can to see how far they can get. Not new in the history if the US. However this approach has always failed and it will fail again. Sadly, not b/f people needlessly suffer.

Buckle up. No one will be unaffected by a default.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:24 PM
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2. Away from the telly last Friday? N/t
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:24 PM
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3. Right now what would be uplifting is
to raise the debt ceiling. Pun intended. His focus was to get that done by putting heat on the the other side.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:27 PM
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4. Raised at what cost? And under whose conditions?
Those, I think, are the questions du jour...
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:40 PM
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17. In negotiations, there is a time to be aggressive,
and there is a time to finesse. As we have tested the other side and find them to be intractable and irrational when the stakes are so critically high.
Finesse is the remaining option. I think that was what Obama was wisely doing. I think he overreached with his grand bargain. At this point, Reid's plan
would be the best we can get. It is pitiful that is all, but that is all. And even that is in question now.

Hope that we can finesse around these loonies. We have to somehow get to then next election to have a chance to clear out the crazies.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:48 PM
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29. Gosh. Does that mean "aggressive Obama" is going to show up soon!?
:thumbsup:
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:07 PM
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35. You miss my point, that time most likely has past.
The time for finesse is now.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:15 PM
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36. "Passed" in the sense that it was "never here?"
:shrug:
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:34 PM
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39. The time was there; the opportunity was there.
Obama did not show up. It is just not in his bones.
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mfcorey1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:27 PM
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5. Who the hell can be uplifiting having to deal with the maniacal manipulations of those on the right.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:28 PM
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8. Wouldn't his being more direct about what the right is up to be, to some degree,
uplifting?

:shrug:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:28 PM
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7. grow up is right. This is serious and Obama put it on the line.
uplifting--what an immature attitude.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:29 PM
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10. Wow -- lotta hostility to the now-clearly-discarded "hope" meme he used
... to get elected.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:50 PM
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31. no hostitlity towards immature people who think every time a president speaks
he must uplift them rather than laying it on the line.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:17 PM
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38. well, no, your passive/aggressiveness is duly noted. This is about defining "uplift"
you seem to be stuck on the rainbows/ponies notion of the thing.

Sometimes, it's just being willing to fight for a belief.
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:29 PM
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9. Unrec
For those who track such things.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:30 PM
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11. Thoughtful contribution to the conversation!
:thumbsup:
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:40 PM
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16. Thought you could relate...
That's all. :shrug:
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:43 PM
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21. No -- but glad your sense of vengeance was satiated by unreccing one of my threads!
:thumbsup:
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Bobbie Jo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:01 PM
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33. Not quite...
Do another one.

I'll make an "unrec'ers" reference and do it up right! :)
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:16 PM
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37. You could! But -- since you'd be the likely unreccer, wouldn't you be calling out yourself!?
;-)
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:32 PM
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12. We don't need uplifting right now; we need reality. n/t
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:38 PM
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15. Wouldn't some "reality" in terms of lines-in-sand to the GOP be... uplifting?
:shrug:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:44 PM
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24. I don't know…would it? nt
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:45 PM
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25. for those who wonder who the hell it was they voted for.. yes. nt
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:35 PM
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13. This wasn't meant to be uplifting but to express frustration and ask for help persuading
the repubs who simply vote No for anything a Dem or Pres Obama proposes. How could this be "uplifting"? Serious question.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:37 PM
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14. Quite seriously, I suppose it depends how one defines "uplifting"
for many, an emphasis on jobs, or a clear-cut stance protecting Social Security -- while taking the fight to the Repubbies -- would be "uplifting."

It's odd that so many here don't see sticking by a set of principles as "uplifting." Especially in terms of those who gave so much to see a particular person assume the reins of (presumed) "power.."
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:45 PM
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26. This is not a jobs issue now. Sure its related but its about a debt ceiling and a budget.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:47 PM
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28. ...and about what gets fought for, and who controls the framing. Like that FDR you cited
...upthread!
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Sheepshank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:41 PM
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18. And what tweet did you get just a few days ago with Obama's last speech?
sure, I don't give a fuck about this tweet.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:41 PM
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19. I thought it was depressing...and I wasn't alone..
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:44 PM
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22. Compared to previous segments in the US history this is nothing.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:44 PM
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23. Nope.
n/t
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 08:49 PM
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30. Sigh.....
The PResident was speaking in short sentences,
with five letter words, and concrete images.

He was speaking to those who are NOT his constituency,
those who are probably tea-bag friendly...

Those who were NOT listening to him,

But waiting with bated breath for the words of Boehner of Orange's lies...

I find it offensive with I am 'talked down to...'
as I was recently by the president who knows better.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:04 PM
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34. He did FINE. He defeated *my* Hillary with that. Now I support him more than his originals. n/t
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 09:41 PM
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41. Give it a break
That was before the housing bubble and the banks almost failing and having to be bailed out. It was before the only word the Republicans could say was a categorical NO! it was before the teabaggers started disrupting everything and Republicans falling all over themselves to yell Liar! or to out and out lie to every American, including their darling teabaggers. That was when we all thought there might be some actual grown up dialog between the President and Republicans.

It's really convenient to have such a selective memory.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 10:54 PM
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42. "It's really convenient to have such a selective memory."
Indeed. Indeed.
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DFLforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:04 PM
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43. Before he got into this boring government thing?
It's a lot easier being inspirational when you don't have to deal with problems like default.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-25-11 11:45 PM
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44. Hell, not caving in to every GOP whim would be inspirational, too
Let's see if he can do it. The way the fella on your avatar would want him to.
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