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Libyan Revolution Week 23 part 2
Links to sites with updates: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya">AJE Libya Live Blog http://blogs.aljazeera.net/twitter-dashboard">AJE Twitter Dashboard http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/libya">The Guardian http://uk.reuters.com/places/libya">Reuters http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/">Telegraph http://feb17.info/">feb17.info http://www.livestream.com/libya17feb?utm_source=lsplayer&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=footerlinks">Libya Alhurra (live video webcast from Benghazi) http://libya-alhurra.tumblr.com/">Libya Alhurra archives and updates http://www.ustream.tv/channel/benghaziradio">Benghazi Free Radio, in Arabic (may have translators present at times) http://www.tributefm.com/">Tribute FM (English broadcast from Benghazi) http://www.libyafeb17.com/">libyafeb17.com

Twitter links: http://twitter.com/#!/aymanm">Ayman Mohyeldin, with AJE http://twitter.com/#!/bencnn">Ben Wedeman, with CNN http://twitter.com/#!/tripolitanian">tripolitanian, a Libyan from Tripoli http://twitter.com/#!/BaghdadBrian">Brian Conley, reporter in Libya http://twitter.com/#!/freelibyanyouth">FreeLibyanYouth, Libyan advocate http://twitter.com/#!/LibyaFeb17_com">LibyaFeb17.com twitter account http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya">ChangeInLibya, Libyan advocate https://twitter.com/#!/TheyCallMeSof">Sofyan Amry (arrived in Benghazi recently) http://twitter.com/#!/KiloFoot">KiloFoot (general Arab Spring news aggregation)

Useful links: http://audioboo.fm/feb17voices">feb17voices http://www.google.com/search?q=time+in+libya">Current time in Libya http://www.islamicfinder.org/cityPrayerNew.php?country=libya">Prayer times in Libya

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x1560194">Week 23 part 1 here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixwx_B38678">Marching On in Libya, for the revolutionaries!


Khaled, 38, read a news report at the broadcasting studio of Radio Nafusa al-Hurra (Free Nafusa Radio) in Jado. Amazigh people enjoy a renaissance of their culture after four decades of a ban imposed by the regime of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

Ammar Awad / Reuters



Day 149 July 16

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/16/us-libya-turkey-idUSTRE76F1G520110716">Libyan bankers offer support to rebel council
Libya's former central bank governor Farhat Bengdara said on Saturday a newly formed association of Libyan bankers was preparing recommendations to support the country's rebel leaders in raising finance.
http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/07/16/idINIndia-58290920110716">Heavy casualties reported in Libya fighting
Ten Libyan rebels were reported killed and 172 wounded in an attack on the eastern oil port of Brega on Saturday, while insurgents drove back forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi in the west.
http://www.intelligencer.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=3216550">How Gadhafi retains support
At the wake of the Arab Spring in North Africa, many of these dictators were caught in fear as they imagined themselves in a similar situation and have since intensified their crackdown on the opposition.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8642424/Libya-Confusion-in-the-mountains-mixed-messages-from-the-west.html">Libya: Confusion in the mountains, mixed messages from the west
If they are truly the Libyan rebels' most promising vanguard, the fighters poised on the front line in the Nafusa mountains hardly inspired confidence.


Day 150 July 17

http://www.metronews.ca/calgary/world/article/918760--late-night-explosions-rock-libyan-capital">Late night explosions rock Libyan capital
A series of NATO airstrikes rocked the Libyan capital before dawn Sunday, sending up huge plumes of smoke over the city after hitting what Libyan state television said were civilian and military targets.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-07/17/c_13990370.htm">Libyan opposition rejects involvement of foreign ground forces
The Libyan opposition on Saturday ruled out involvement of any foreign ground forces.
http://www.rttnews.com/Content/GeneralNews.aspx?Node=B1&Id=1666904">NATO Chief Cautions On Libya Ceasefire
NATO Secretary General General Anders Fogh Rasmussen has warned that any ceasefire between Libya's Qadhafi regime and the rebels would have to be "credible, verifiable and with clear conditions," failing which, "we would risk a rebound of the violence."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14176051">Col Gaddafi vows he will never leave Libya
His speech was broadcast to supporters in the city of Zawiya, which was taken back from rebels after fierce fighting in the early stages of the revolt.
http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story_s.asp?storyid=1093429148">Libyan rebel held area will not pump oil
Libya's Arabian Gulf Oil Company's (Agoco) information manager, Abdeljalil Mayouf, said that due to reparations in the oil fields units in the rebel held area, Libya was not ready to produce oil, reported Arab News.
http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL6E7IH03S20110717">Niger fears takeover by militants in neighbour Libya
Niger fears that Islamic militants could seize power in Libya as a result of the civil war in its northern neighbour, President Mahamadou Issoufou said late on Saturday.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-17/libya-has-168-billion-abroad-for-financing-ex-bank-chief-says.html">Libya Needs to Manage $168 Billion in Assets, Banker Says
Libya has about $168 billion in frozen assets and the Transitional National Council needs to access and start managing the funds as it works to oust Muammar Qaddafi and rebuild the country, former central bank chief Farhat Bengdara said.
http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/477999">NATO hits military depot in eastern Tripoli
NATO jets destroyed a military storage facility and other targets in Tripoli's eastern outskirts early Sunday, days after key international players recognized Libya's rebel leadership as the country's legitimate representative.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20110717/OPINION01/707179991">Libyan rebels strengthened by recognition
The international intervention in Libya to protect civilians has gradually transformed into a campaign to oust Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43783897/ns/technology_and_science-tech_and_gadgets/">Misrata youth goes from Playstation to front line
When the war in Libya started, many young men now on the rebel front line at Misrata were so interested in computer games and mobile phones that older residents never thought they would turn into fighters. "Before the uprising, all those young men cared about was hair gel, clothes, music, mobile phones and hanging out in cafes," said Mahmoud Askutri, a businessman who has formed and funds the 1st battalion of the Al Marsa regiment, one of the rebel units fighting here to end Muammar Gaddafi's 41-year rule.



Day 151 July 18

http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=229668">Libyan Jewish group recognizes rebels
In letter to head of Libyan National Transitional Council, the Israeli president of WOLJ, offers his organization’s support, assistance.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8643674/Libya-Gaddafi-running-out-of-commanders.html">Libya: Gaddafi 'running out of commanders'
The officer escaped from a government town in the plains below the country's Western Mountains. Lying only 60 miles from Tripoli, the rebels have launched repeated offensives in the effort to reach the capital.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/18/158145.html">Ex-foreign minister says Libya behind 1989 airline attack
Libya is responsible for a deadly 1989 attack on a French airliner, Libyan former foreign minister Abdel Rahman Shalgam told al-Hayat newspaper in an interview published on Monday.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/18/libya.war/">Rebels: Our forces have advanced closer to Libyan city of Brega
Libyan rebel forces have advanced about 18 miles (30 kilometers) closer to the eastern city of Brega after dismantling thousands of landmines, a rebel spokesman told CNN on Monday.
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE76H08T20110718?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews">Russia criticises West's backing of Libyan rebels
Russia on Monday criticised the United States and other countries that have recognised the Libyan rebels' National Transitional Council as a legitimate government, saying they were taking sides in the civil war.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/18/gaddafi-brutal-regime-exposed-lost-archive">Gaddafi's Libyan rule exposed in lost picture archive
Grim footage of Sadiq Hamed Shwehdi's infamous execution also emerges from Benghazi
http://www.businessinsider.com/benghazi-soccer-resistance-2011-7#ixzz1SUSngCl5">An Amazing Story Of Resistance From Inside Libya's Soccer League
Eleven years ago an incident on the soccer pitch in Benghazi foreshadowed the Libyan revolution.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-rebels-wounded-20110719,0,5777545.story">In Libya, rebel wounded tell the story behind fight for key city
Rajab Zawiyeh, a Libyan businessman, drove to this coast rebel stronghold two days after he heard about an outbreak of fighting in the nearby oil city of Port Brega.
http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2011/07/18/libya-gaddafi-must-be-held-accountable-crimes-against-humanity">Libya: Gaddafi Must Be Held Accountable for Crimes Against Humanity
Amid preparations for the Libya contact group meeting in Istanbul on Friday, which sought a solution to the conflict in Libya, some states reportedly were-behind the scenes-exploring the possibility of offering Muammar Gaddafi the option of internal exile in exchange for relinquishing all power.
http://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFTRE76H19N20110718?sp=true">Wounded children show ferocity of Misrata's war
When 12-year-old Mohammed Bielshak left the house with his brother Ali on March 20, it was to give water from their well to thirsty rebels nearby who were fighting forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi.
http://shabablibya.org/news/libyan-activists-push-for-more-open-less-homogeneous-rebel-administration">Libyan activists push for more open, less homogeneous rebel administration
One of the few really steady jobs in liberated eastern Libya these days is that of caricaturist, and guys such as Adil Mansur are cleaning up. The 30-year-old history student has drawn posters of dictator Moammar Gadhafi as a dog, a snake and a hanging victim. Today he is producing a large image of rebel interim-government leader Mustafa Abdul Jalil as a mellow and saintly figure.



Day 152 July 19

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/172077-pr-firm-took-12m-from-gadhafis-libya">PR firm took $1.2M from Gadhafi’s Libya
An international public relations firm worked to boost the regime of Libyan dictator Moammar Gadhafi while employed by an oil executive with business interests in the country, new documents show.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-19/libyan-rebels-won-t-sign-oil-deals-until-elected-government-1-.html">Libyan Rebels Won’t Sign Oil Deals Until Elected Government
Libya’s Transitional National Council, fighting to overthrow the government of Muammar Qaddafi, won’t sign new contracts with oil companies because the movement wasn’t elected, a spokesman for the group said.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110719/local/severely-injured-libyan-girl-arrives-from-misurata.376322">Colourful welcome for Libyan girl injured in Misurata
A five-year-old Libyan girl who lost a leg in the fighting in Libya, has arrived in Malta on her way to the United States, where she will have a prosthetic leg fitted.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iST3P-HvBBIxRCVh1brNzlaof6mg?docId=eee303e63c8641deb1ed7e06efcd4e90">Libyan troops kill 8 rebels near eastern oil town
Government forces in trucks disguised with rebel flags shelled opposition positions Tuesday near the strategic eastern oil town of Brega, killing eight rebel fighters and wounding dozens more, officials said.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8648173/Libyan-officials-sought-guarantees-Gaddafi-would-not-be-pursued-for-war-crimes.html">Libyan officials sought guarantees Gaddafi would not be pursued for war crimes
Libyan representatives sought guarantees Col Muammar Gaddafi would not be pursued for war crimes if he stepped down during talks with US officials.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110720,0,2078871.story">Libyan forces, insurgents locked in battle for Port Brega
'It's a gang fight in there,' a rebel fighter says of the latest assaults near the strategic coastal city, which is being held by forces loyal to Moammar Kadafi.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-military-cemetery-20110716,0,674939.story">Libyan faithfully tends graves of foreign World War II dead
Every morning, Salah Fatour is at his post with his worn rake and wheelbarrow, tending the garden of the dead.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/15/a_wilsonian_move_by_the_white_house_in_libya">A Wilsonian move by the White House in Libya
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced today that the United States is will recognize Libya's Transitional National Council as the country's "legitimate governing authority". This comes as something of a surprise, as the normal U.S. policy is to recognize whichever government is in de facto power of a country.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e7091b92-b173-11e0-9444-00144feab49a.html#axzz1SxjBOjcA">BHL: Keep the faith: Gaddafi will fall very soon
I have just returned from Jebel Nafusa, a mountainous plateau in north-western Libya that constitutes, after Misrata in the east and Brega even further east, the third front of the war in Libya. What I saw leads me to challenge more strongly than ever the oddly defeatist declarations that have emanated from Washington, London and Paris in recent weeks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/raghida-dergham/arab-revolutions-and-the-_b_900371.html">Arab Revolutions and the Exit Strategy for the Regimes
They have no choice but to admit that the logic of "the regime first" has been dealt a fatal blow and that there is no way to return to the status quo ante that prevailed before the onset of the Arab Spring. If those men were to recognize this clear logic, they would find many ways to save themselves from a dark fate, dark legacy and an abysmal place in history. But they must first accept to place the country and the state over and above the regime.



Day 153 July 20

http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=108614#.TiXVdGlv0eQ.tweet">Arab states committed to help Libyan people: UAE
United Arab Emirates has expressed the Arab states' committment to the welfare and help of Libyans facing an ongoing political crisis in their country.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=1503419&mesg_id=1525451">What on Earth is happening in Brega?
Brega was later found to have been taken, but tabatha compiled a wonderful post on the various inconsistencies in the reports.
http://feb17.info/news/for-libyan-rebels-gadhafis-mines-a-potent-obstacle-2/">For Libyan Rebels, Gadhafi’s Mines A Potent Obstacle
Land mines increasingly are being used by Moammar Gadhafi’s forces on battlegrounds across Libya.
http://www.freemisurata.com/EngArt/archives/448">Today Malak Alshami amputated foot, 5 years old arrives to the US coming from Misratah.
Malak Alshami’s did not know that her live will change after this Friday , while she was playing in her room with her two brothers who did not spoke the alphabet yet , the Grad rockets that have fallen in the room took the two boys lives but Malak survived
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20110720/local/malak-s-family-determined-to-return-to-libya-as-soon-as-possible.376505">Malak's family determined to return to Libya as soon as possible
The family of five-year-old Malak, the Libyan girl who lost a limb when a missile landed in her home, have spoken of their determination to return to Libya as soon as possible.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/27/muammar-gaddafi-arrest-warrant-hague">Gaddafi regime dismisses ICC arrest warrants
The Libyan government has dismissed international arrest warrants against Muammar Gaddafi, his son and intelligence chief.
http://www.thenational.ae/thenational/news/uae-news/dubai-telecoms-engineers-supply-libyan-rebels-with-mobile-phone-network">Dubai telecoms engineers supply Libyan rebels with mobile phone network
The stealth telecommunications team arrived in Misurata after a stomach-churning 30-hour fishing boat ride from Malta.
http://feb17.info/media/video-rebels-find-creative-ways-to-arm-against-gaddafis-forces/">Video: Rebels find creative ways to arm against Gaddafi’s forces
Rebels in the Libyan city of Misrata face an ongoing struggle against Col Gaddafi’s forces, with the city itself is still surrounded by enemy soldiers on one side and the sea on the other.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14186310">The road to recovery inside Libya's mountain hospital
It is not hard to get to Nalut these days. The town is in the rebel-held Nafusa Mountains in western Libya, about 40km (25 miles) from the border with Tunisia.



Day 154 July 21

http://www.npr.org/2011/07/20/138548543/rebels-in-western-libya-train-for-move-on-tripoli">Rebels In Western Libya Train For Move On Tripoli
Rebel commanders in the western mountains of Libya say they are supplying anti-government forces in Tripoli with weapons in advance of a march on the capital.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904233404576458154035344420.html">Rebels Move Toward Gadhafi Stronghold
Rebel fighters have penetrated Libya's southwest desert and pulled within 80 miles of Col. Moammar Gadhafi's southern stronghold, opening a new front and suggesting the strongman's grip is slipping even in areas believed firmly in his control.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/21/world/africa/21libya.html">Problems With Logistics, Coordination and Rivalries Hamper Libya’s Rebels
Ahmad Harari, a Libyan rebel fighting to overthrow Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, recounted how he was almost killed last week.
http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/20/2322983/for-libyas-western-rebels-high.html">For Libya's western rebels, high hopes but real struggles
In a house on the outskirts of this deserted village on Libya's western front line, about a dozen rebel fighters sheltered from the blistering sun, occasionally scanning the horizon with binoculars.
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwide/africa/qaddafis-troops-have-fled-brega-say-rebels">Qaddafi's troops have fled Brega, say rebels
Rebel military sources said some Qaddafi forces were arcing rockets over Brega onto rebel positions from the town of Bishr, while most troops had retreated to Ras Lanuf, another oil town further west.
http://news.yahoo.com/gadhafi-calls-tribes-back-rebel-mountains-060137886.html">Gadhafi calls tribes to take back rebel mountains
It's not the first time Gadhafi has tried to rally the tribes. Since the Libyan uprising began in mid-February, he has threatened to unleash angry tribesmen on opposition-held towns, although nothing ever materialized.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/201172161918114981.html">Libyan rebels step up military campaign
Opposition fighters say they have forced Gaddafi forces back from Brega, while southern fighters prepare for battle.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iA8R71Dh-jnRkVtTY13wiQ5FIBaQ?docId=CNG.62af0064235da4cbd63370d32a0b2bcf.331">Libya rebels seek arms amid pre-Ramadan offensive
Libya's rebels asked France for extra arms to help them overrun Tripoli within "days", as they ramped up a pre-Ramadan offensive that has Moamer Kadhafi's troops on the run in the east.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-funerals-20110721,0,4818815,full.story">For Libyan rebels, a funeral is no somber event
As 11 fighters are laid to rest in Benghazi, the mourners celebrate their deaths as bringing the country one step closer to life without Kadafi.
http://www.petroleum-economist.com/Article/2869690/Exclusive-Qadhafi-regime-bids-to-sell-shipping-fleet.html?edit=true">Exclusive: Qadhafi regime bids to sell shipping fleet
Derek Brower, LONDON: Libya’s state-owned shipping firm is asking two Asian companies to take control of its fleet as the regime steps up efforts to secure cash to sustain its war effort.



Day 155 July 22

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/07/21/national/main20081492.shtml">Missing Maryland writer spotted in Libya prison
A Baltimore writer missing in Libya has been sighted in a prison in Tripoli, U.S. Rep. C.A. Dutch Ruppersberger and the writer's mother said Thursday.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/21/libyan-rebels-humour-weapon-gaddafi">Libyan rebels find humour is the sharpest weapon against Gaddafi
In Zintan, the heart of the struggle in Libya's western mountains, rebels are relishing their newfound freedom of expression
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E7IL23B20110721">Libya's Gaddafi urges Misrata notables to fight rebels
Muammar Gaddafi urged families and tribal leaders from Misrata to fight to take back Libya's third-largest city from rebels who have pushed his troops away after more than four months of bitter fighting.
http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE76K0K720110721?sp=true">Libyan rebels report Gaddafi fight-back
Libyan rebels said a fierce counter-attack by forces loyal to Muammar Gaddafi had checked their gains on a frontline east of Tripoli on Thursday.
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/21/158670.html">Slovenia, Montenegro recognize NTC
On July 20 in Benghazi, Libya, the National Transitional Council received recognition by Slovenia as the legitimate representative of the Libyan people.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/22/us-libya-idUSTRE76H06X20110722">No Gaddafi role in proposed Libya transition: envoy
A U.N. peace envoy is suggesting a ceasefire in Libya, to be followed by the immediate creation of a transitional authority
http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/libyan-rebel-says-gadhafi-1033377.html">Libyan rebel says Gadhafi must face trial
A Libyan rebel spokesman says Moammar Gadhafi should be tried by an international criminal court.
http://news.yahoo.com/wounded-gaddafi-soldier-says-morale-troops-low-202633654.html">Wounded Gaddafi soldier says morale of troops is low
Morale is low among troops fighting for Muammar Gaddafi on the front west of Misrata and many are reluctant to fight back against rebel attacks, a recently-wounded loyalist soldier told Reuters on Friday.


Day 156 July 23

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFN1E76L1X720110722">US checks reports of ship carrying arms for Libya
The United States is investigating reports that a ship carrying weapons for Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's forces was allowed to dock in Algeria
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i74NcItPjRb9NjnXoQ7bmePn2B8A?docId=9373971434a54562a24adc6f0995c0ad">Tunisia reinforcing border with Libya
Huge clouds of smoke from NATO-led raids over western Libya could be seen in neighboring Tunisia and the official TAP news agency says the Tunisian army is reinforcing the border area to ensure there is no spillover into its territory.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/2011/07/22/gIQAnd1LUI_story.html">U.S. struggles to free money for Libyan rebels
Despite newly won diplomatic recognition from the United States, Libyan rebels could face a long wait for promised financial relief, say U.S. officials
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-benghazi-cops-20110723,0,2753677.story?page=1">Police in Libya rebel capital pivot from oppressor to protector
"Before, people were terrified of the police; they hated us," Ganasi, 35, said as pedestrians waved to him on his rounds. "Now they see us as someone who can protect them, not someone to protect the people in power."
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Reflections-from-Benghazi-by-Tawfik-Mansurey-110712-154.html">Reflections from Benghazi: Colour, Life and Hope
Nowadays, I drive around town in Benghazi and I see colours and faces of real people on the many billboards around the city. Not so long ago, there weren't many colours just a green rag flapping everywhere you went from the city streets, hotels and even tied to car antennas. The only face you saw was that of the menacing Gadhafi glaring down into your car as you drove by.
http://en.qantara.de/The-Revolutionary-Power-of-Youth/16590c16844i0p/index.html">The Revolutionary Power of Youth
"Look here, I've got a university degree, but this society doesn't give me a chance: no wonder I'm a rebel." The unrest in the Arab world may have taken most people by surprise, but demographers knew it was coming. According to Jéronimo Louis Samuel Barbin, this unrest is the sound of the voice of young people who have long been at home in the modern world
http://english.libya.tv/2011/07/23/libyan-berbers-cherish-shared-history-with-jews/">Libyan Berbers cherish shared history with Jews
For centuries, Jews lived among the Berbers of Yafran, observing the Sabbath at the synagogue of Ghriba, but they suddenly left 63 years ago, and their land in Libya remains untouched.
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,15250140,00.html">Libyan army, rebels face common enemy in the mountains
Since the war erupted in Libya last February, many civilians of almost all ages have woken up with a gun in their hands, without knowing what to do with it. There's no way of knowing how many fighters have been killed or wounded by mishandling weapons or, simply, during one of the gun-toting celebrations after a battle victory. Small wonder that the number of victims on both sides remains unclear.







http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x594751">A topic on the women of the revolution, dispels myths about the treatment of women in Benghazi.

Videos to bring the Libyan Revolution into context
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0vChMDuNd0">The Battle of Benghazi. BBC Panorama on Libya http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaPnMnpCAA">Part 1, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMzwQvcx62s">Part 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWwOeZqz6M">Video of the convoy sent to take Benghazi, taken from a dead soliders cell phone (shows how massive the operation was). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAclhhHv43s&feature=player_embedded">Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD5tu5bJWKc">Tea of Freedom Song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z41kQvx4uKw">Libya: Part 2 - The Uprising http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vNWCGDkdWY">Benghazi - Backbone of the Libyan revolution


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/live/africa/libya-live-blog-march-10-0">March 10 7:28pm Saif al Islam Gaddafi says "the time has come for full-scale military action" against Libyan rebels. He goes on to say that Libyan forces loyal to his family "will never surrender, even if western powers intervene".


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x677397">Text of UN resolution 1973. How will a no fly zone work? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWEwehTtK2k">AJE reports.

Belgium: http://www.lesoir.be/actualite/monde/2011-03-21/les-f-16-belges-dans-le-feu-de-l-action-829588.php">Six F-16 Falcon fighter jets of the Belgian Air Component. Bulgaria: The Bulgarian Navy Wielingen class frigate Drazki http://paper.standartnews.com/en/article.php?d=2011-03-23&article=35828">will participate in the naval blockade. Canada: Canadian Forces Air Command has deployed http://www.cefcom-comfec.forces.gc.ca/pa-ap/ops/mobile/index-eng.asp">a total 440 military personnel as well as the Halifax-class frigate HMCS Charlottetown are participating in operations. Denmark: The Royal Danish Air Force http://politiken.dk/newsinenglish/ECE1227910/denmark-to-send-squadron-on-libya-op/">is participating with six F-16AM fighters. France: French Air Force which realizes 25% of NATO's strikes http://www.defense.gouv.fr/operations/autres-operations/harmattan/libye-debut-des-operations-aeriennes-francaises">is participating in the mission with 51 Mirage and Rafale Aircraft. Greece: The Elli-class frigate Limnos of the Hellenic Navy http://www.keeptalkinggreece.com/2011/03/20/greek-defence-ministry-no-participation-in-operations-outside-the-nato/">is currently in the waters off Libya as part of the naval blockade. Italy: Four Tornado ECRs of the Italian Air Force http://www.corriere.it/esteri/11_marzo_20/tripoli-bombardamento-chiesta-riunione-onu_2e95d102-52c0-11e0-a725-dbe20f0ba2b5.shtml">participated in SEAD operations. Jordan: Six Royal Jordanian Air Force fighter jets http://www.allheadlinenews.com/briefs/articles/90043651?After%20hesitation%2C%20Jordan%20joins%20in%20Libya%20no-fly%20campaign">landed at a coalition airbase in Europe on 4 April to provide "logistical support." NATO: E-3 airborne early warning and control (AWACS) http://www.adressa.no/nyheter/nordtrondelag/article1606878.ece">aircraft operated by NATO. Netherlands: The Royal Netherlands Air Force http://www.rnw.nl/english/bulletin/dutch-f-16s-operational-over-libya">provides six F-16AM fighters and a KDC-10 refuelling plane. Norway: The Royal Norwegian Air Force has http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/libya/artikkel.php?artid=10091294">deployed six F-16AM fighters to Souda Bay Air Base. Qatar: The Qatar Armed Forces are http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123248695">contributing six Mirage 2000-5EDA fighter jets and two C-17 strategic transport aircraft. Romania: The Romanian Naval Forces http://www.hotnews.ro/stiri-politic-8423876-traian-basescu-sustine-declaratie-presa-ora-21-00-dupa-sedinta-csat.htm">will participate in the naval blockade with the frigate Regele Ferdinand. Spain: The Spanish Armed Forces are http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Espana/intervendra/cazas/F-18/fragata/F-100/submarino/avion/vigilancia/maritima/elpepuint/20110319elpepuint_14/Tes">participating with four F-18 fighters. Sweden: The Royal Swedish Air Force will http://www.swedishwire.com/politics/9050-sweden-offers-eight-fighter-jets-for-libya-mission">commit eight JAS 39 Gripen jets for the international air campaign. Turkey: The Turkish Navy http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/03/24/general-libya-diplomacy_8373237.html">will participate with five ships and one submarine in the NATO-led naval blockade to enforce the arms embargo. United Arab Emirates: The United Arab Emirates Air Force http://www.wam.org.ae/servlet/Satellite?c=WamLocEnews&cid=1300255413630&p=1135099400124&pagename=WAM%2FWamLocEnews%2FW-T-LEN-FullNews">sent six F-16 Falcon and six Mirage 2000 fighter jets to join the mission. United Kingdom: The Royal Air Force has http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/MilitaryOperations/TyphoonJoinsTornadoInLibyaGroundAttackOperations.htm">deployed 12 Tornado and 10 Typhoon fighters, surveillance aircraft, and air refuelling tankers. United States: The United States has http://www.webcitation.org/5xJ8qNGGe">deployed a naval force of 11 ships and are using MQ-1 Predator UAVs to strike targets in Libya on 23 April.

As of this week the National Trasitional Council has been formally recognized by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_Libyan_Republic#Recognition">31 countries. France (March 10), Qatar (March 28), Maldives (April 3), Italy (April 4), Kuwait (April 13), The Gambia (April 22), Jordan (April 24), Sengal (April 28), The United Kingdom (June 4), Spain (June 8), Australia (June 9), UAE (June 12), Germany (June 13), Canada (June 14), Panama (June 14), Austria (June 18), Latvia (June 20), Denmark (June 22), Bulgaria (June 28), Croatia (June 28), Czech Republic (June 29), Turkey (July 3), Poland (July 9), Netherlands (July 13), Belgium (July 13), Luxembourg (July 13), United States (July 15), Japan (July 15), Albania (July 18), Slovenia (July 20), Montenegro (July 21).

"One month ago (Western countries) were sooo nice, so nice like pussycats," Saif says in a contemptuous sing-song tone."Now they want to be really aggressive like tigers. (But) soon they will come back, and cut oil deals, contracts. We know this game." - http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2058389,00.html">Saif Gaddafi


(Yeah, Saif, as if you weren't "cutting oil deals, contracts" with western states. Who are the 'tigers' now? Bombing your own people.)

http://english.libya.tv/2011/04/25/eastern-libyans-believe-in-national-unity-distrust-au-and-turkish-mediation-survey-reveals/">The first free public opinion poll ever conducted in Libya reveals clues to Eastern Libyan sentiments
* 98 percent of the respondents do not support the division of Libya as a part of the political solution for the current conflict with the Gaddafi regime. Around 95 percent also don’t see any role for Gaddafi or his sons in a transitional period, and think it is impossible to implement any political reform in Libya if Gaddafi or one of his sons stays in power

* Around 96 percent of those polled, believe that the 17th of February revolution can consolidate the national unity of Libya and support the model of a democratic Libya based on a constitution which respects human rights

* Al-Qaeda has not played any role in the 17th of February revolution, say 94 percent of the Eastern Libyans, and 91 percent thinks it’s impossible for Al-Qaeda to play any political role in the new Libya

* The National Transitional Council is seen by 92 percent of those surveyed as “expressing the views and wishes of Libyans for change”


This is equivalent to 17% the entire population of Libya, doing the numbers very conservatively.


http://jenkinsear.com/2011/03/19/a-legal-war-the-united-nations-participation-act-and-libya/">A Legal War: The United Nations Participation Act and Libya
The above link is to an overview of why Obama's implementation of the NFZ and R2P is perfectly legal under the law. I will not post it entirely here, however, all objections come down to the misinformed position that Obama, by using forces in Libya, was invoking Article 43 of the United Nations. This is wrong. Obama invoked Article 42, which does not require congressional approval to implement. Proof of this is that Article 43 has http://www.un.org/en/sc/repertoire/actions.shtml#rel5">never been used.

It goes like this: The US law (Title 22, Chap. 7, Subchap. XIV § 287d) grants the President the right to invoke UN Article 42 http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode22/usc_sec_22_00000287---d000-.html">without authorization, the War Powers Act (Title 50, Chap. 33 § 1541) grants the President permission to act without authorization under http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/50/1541–1548.html">"specific statutory authorization" which, by definition, is what 287d does. § 1543 of the War Powers Act requires the President to report to Congress, http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/obama_explains_libya_mission_to_congress/2011/03/03/ABU9377_blog.html">which he did. One can argue all day and night about the legality of the War Powers Act, doesn't change the fact that under the law as it is written, the President acted within the law.






Mohammed Nabbous, killed by Gaddafi's forces while trying to report on the massacre in Benghazi

"I'm not afraid to die, I'm afraid to lose the battle" -Mohammed Nabbous, a month ago when all this began


I'm struggling to come up with something to say about this man. I was not aware of the Libyan uprising until I saw Mo's first report, begging for help, posted here on DU. I was stricken. Here was a man giving everything he had to explain a situation that clearly terrified him, I would not call him a coward in that moment, but you could see the fear in his eyes, and desperation in his voice. For 30 days Nabbous would spend many hours covering the uprising in Benghazi. For many nights I would go to sleep with the webcast of Benghazi live on my computer screen, looking to it occasionally to be sure it was still 'there.' Mo treated the chat room as if we were his friends, and in some way, we were. I never signed up to LiveStream to thank him for all his work and it seems somewhat shallow to do so now, given that I was a lurker for so long. Ever since I took over posting these threads "Libya Alhurra" has been linked as a source of information. It wasn't until last night, when I posted, and twitter posted on Mo's adventures out into Benghazi to try to determine the truth of the situation, that Mo's webchannel became a hit, over 2000 people were watching him stream live. This was curious to him because he'd done many reports like this in the past but he appeared somewhat bemused that the view count exploded as it did. Last night Mo became a star. This is a man who first started out with a webcast replete with fear and desperation finally overcoming that aspect of himself and losing that fear, to become someone who was a fighter for the resistance just as much as those who held the guns. Reporting on the front lines of Benghazi became his final act, and for that he should never, ever be forgotten. I'm so sorry Mo that I never got to know you better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAclhhHv43s&feature=player_ded">Arab Awakening: Libya: Through the Fire is a documentary about Mo's last days, please watch it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EXALI60hg">Mo's first report, which many of you may remember, begging for help.

Mo leaves behind a wife and a newborn child she had http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/23/a_bright_voice_from_libyas_darkness">this to say about the No Fly Zone and R2P UN resolution:

We started this in a pure way, but he turned it bloody. Thousands of our men, women, and children have died. We just wanted our freedom, that's all we wanted, we didn't want power. Before, we could not do a single thing if it was not the way he wanted it. All we wanted was freedom. All we wanted was to be free. We have paid with our blood, with our families, with our men, and we're not going to give up. We are still going to do that no matter what it takes, but we need help. We want to do this ourselves, but we don't have the weapons, the technology, the things we need. I don't want anyone to say that Libya got liberated by anybody else. If NATO didn't start moving when they did, I assure you, I assure you, half of Benghazi if not more would have been killed. If they stop helping us, we are going to be all killed because he has no mercy anymore.


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:17 AM
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1. Libyan Revolution Day 160 updates below, current time in Libya, 1:17pm Wednesday, July 27
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:27 AM
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2. Libyan expat announces 'first' political party in Benghazi + an article by him on Feb 27
http://gulfnews.com/news/region/libya/libyan-expat-announces-first-political-party-in-benghazi-1.843630">Libyan expat announces 'first' political party in Benghazi
Benghazi, Libya: Libyan expats on Tuesday became the first to take a stab at forming a political party in Benghazi, headquarters of the widely recognised National Transitional Council and stronghold of rebels fighting to oust Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

...

"The reform and development of the oil and alternative energy sector," is the first item on the party's agenda followed by health care and social security.

New Libya Party aspires to the cancellation of all taxes, starting with personal income taxes. Its platform, as outlined in a glossy brochure, promotes equal rights, the participation of women and youth in society, as well as the protection of minorities, while limiting the role of tribes as these are "a social entity" that "should not be treated as a political body."

Libya, Amer added, should aspire to be a Muslim but secular state, where an individual's relationship to God is treated as a private rather than a public matter.


Here's an editoral one of these guys wrote near the beginning of the uprising:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/feb/27/libya-democracy-freedom-extremists-gaddafi">Libya: neither tribal nor Islamist
The freedom fighters who have been met with the most brutal, inhumane and criminal antics of Colonel Muammar Gaddafi come from all sections of Libyan society. Gaddafi has tried to win over some Libyans by promising them immense riches, on one occasion even physically showering them with bundles of cash. However, the people now control the major part of Libya – with new groups, tribes and leaders disavowing their links with Gaddafi and announcing their stand alongside the revolution virtually every hour.

While Gaddafi's partial grip on the capital Tripoli remains in place, people now realise that they have passed the point of no return: either topple him or be killed. They also realise that Gaddafi's recent speeches and tactics show a desperate dictator who has almost entirely lost control. This opportunity will never come round again in their lifetime.

Over the last week, a steady stream of former leaders of the Gaddafi regime have deserted him and declared allegiance to the Libyan people and to the revolution. Many have spoken of their utter disgust at his order to shoot and kill demonstrators. A number of generals appeared on camera stating their disbelief at the orders to launch fighter jets against unarmed civilians demonstrating on the streets.

Despite the heavy sacrifice they are offering every day, Libyans utterly reject any foreign intervention, even for their defence and protection. From the outset, Gaddafi warned his overthrow would make Libya the same horrific, chaotic arena that Iraq and Afghanistan are today. But the people are adamant that this revolution is theirs alone.


I remember reading this. Reading the comments made me pine, made my heart hurt. So much support for the freedom fighters before they asked for help. It breaks my heart still to read those comments.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:29 AM
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3. Libyan Charge d’Affaires to be expelled from UK
http://www.fco.gov.uk/en/news/latest-news/?view=News&id=635937682">Libyan Charge d’Affaires to be expelled from UK
The Foreign Office confirmed that the Libyan Charge d’Affaires has been called to the FCO and is being informed that he and the remaining Libyan diplomats in the UK are being expelled.

Foreign Secretary William Hague said:

"What we are doing in Libya is necessary, legal and right. We could not and did not turn a blind eye when Qadhafi turned his forces against innocent civilians, shelled peaceful protestors and targeted victims crammed in hospitals. The international community’s actions have saved thousands of lives. We have averted massive slaughter in Benghazi. And we have protected innocent Libyans across the country.

When I visited Benghazi I saw for myself how close Qadhafi’s forces came and what was possible after they had been stopped. My visit allowed a window into a Libya free from Qadhafi – where the legitimate aspirations of the people are welcomed not repressed, and where debate, a free media and civil society are encouraged not crushed.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:56 AM
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7. Libyans protest against Gaddafi envoys in Britain
As Hague announced the expulsions, a handful of demonstrators arrived at the Libyan embassy and shouted angrily at the staff inside the building.

According to the Press Association, one man, who said he was from Misrata, shouted:


Get out rats. You murdered my brother-in-law. Thank you UK. Thank you USA.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/27/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-18


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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:31 AM
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4. Italian Senate Extends Funding for Libya Mission, rebels prepare to advance on Zlitan
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 06:32 AM by joshcryer
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-07-27/italian-senate-extends-funding-for-afghanistan-libya-missions.html">Italian Senate Extends Funding for Afghanistan, Libya Missions
The Italian Senate voted to extend funding for foreign military missions, supporting forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and a NATO-led effort in Libya.

The vote came a day after an Italian paratrooper was killed in Afghanistan, the 41st Italian soldier to die while serving there. Legislators held a minute of silence before debating the measure and casting the ballot for another six-month extension.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14304022">Libya rebels set to advance on Zlitan - video
After nearly two months of stalemate, rebels in the Libyan city of Misrata are making small but significant moves towards the capital Tripoli.

They are advancing on a town called Zlitan, less than 100 miles (160km) from the capital.

Once that falls, they believe, the road to the west will open up.

The BBC's Gabriel Gatehouse reports.


edit: not to mislead, I removed a comma in the title because it came out confusing
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:38 AM
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5. Was looking at YouTube videos and I came across this sweet tidbit (in the Libya Part 2 video):


I was desperately trying to upvote all of them to counter the lies, to try to make things 'right' but it wasn't happening. Had a really sinking feeling in my stomach until I hit that one comment, it made me smile, because I kinda dig irony even if it's bittersweet. Still, feels like a crummy day. Damn clouds.

Thanks to pinboy3niner and tabatha (and Iterate!) for keeping me sane. :hug:
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:56 AM
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16. Khamis Gaddafi "speaks" to his troops
Actually, the tweet was written this way:

LibyaNewDay LibyaNewDay
Khamis Gaddafi lying to his troops youtube.com/watch?v=PCFl6E… #Libya #Feb17
vor 19 Minuten

http://youtu.be/PCFl6E1ndUk

We haven't seen much of Khamis. I hope we get a translation soon. He seems to have taken to walking and obviously has found that it's better to speak to smaller groups in his brigade. Quite different from the celebratory video of him after Zawiya. It's not clear exactly where this was taken, but it's probably from the 20% or so of rebel territory recently conceded. Part of that would be near Zliten. There is a new website for the city:

http://www.zliten17feb.org/
or translated via google
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zliten17feb.org%2F&sl=ar&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8

Hey Josh. We're usually on opposite sides of the clock, but I'm never very far away.
I can commiserate with the youtube business. I spent most of June and part of July combing through hundreds (if not thousands) of them, mostly the ones derived from statetv, then tracking how they were used by other agencies and websites right down to the most obscure right wing or gaddafi cultists. When I got to the point of recognizing individuals I knew it was time to quit.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:27 AM
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19. One of the comments (translated) under the Khamis video.
God's curse upon you, O family Alqirdafa false .. lying in order to stay in power and loot the wealth of Libya Thurs .. this criminal is not ashamed to lie and say that the noble Misurata raised the flag of Israel .. a liar just like his father .. Lord of the Libyan people found this damned gang .. and inject the blood of Libyan Jewish family because of this criminal does not want good for the Libyan people and want to fight for the Libyans are to remain in power enough Allah and the agent

Alilibya2008 5 hours ago
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:38 AM
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6. 8 slain in Syria protest
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:09 AM
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8. Expelled Misrata families rescued by rebels, return home

In Misrata, families claim they were expelled by Gaddafí troops and abandoned in the desert. But opposition fighters stationed nearby hatched a secret plan and carried out a mission to rescue the families and help them return home.

Al Jazeera's Hoda Abdel-Hamid reports from Misrata (2:52):


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-27-2011-1603




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:18 AM
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9. UK will unfreeze 91 million pounds ($148 million) in Libya funds for rebel NTC

"At the request of the Arabian Gulf Oil Company ... the United Kingdom is ready to make available 91 million pounds of the company's assets in the United Kingdom," Hague added.

"This company is operating under the control of the National Transitional Council and we are assured its activities will not benefit any listed entity under (UN) sanctions.

"We will issue licences for the use of its frozen funds to meet basic needs within Libya," Hague said, adding the measure was designed to allow Britain to give greater practical assistance to the rebels.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL6E7IR0RQ20110727




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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:55 AM
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10. AJE: Disappearing Spring Blog Post
This was posted ~4 hours ago by Chris_de. It purports to be from a Libyan who recently
escaped from Libya.

MoAm84……last call i had with friend about 8 AM, 27. July

Ok just received a call from a friend of mine who made it to Tunisia being
smuggled in a supposed pro G truck wich where in fact defector! will
post main info here, first all pro G now seem to have special ID to travel
freely in pro G held territory #Libya #tripoli

30 + checkpoints on road to tunisia, At night lots of armed
combat between pro G and #FF, lots of agression on ppl trying to uprise
#Libya

Many ppl are detained in secret places, and beaten in some
neighbourhood they hear at night ppl complaining # Tripoli #Libya

In #Tripoli lots of meeting are going on with the
revolutionairies they meet more and more as per his informations #Libya G is
cracking on them big time, many rallies in recents weeks ppl where forced and
threath to participate, my friend was #Tripoli #Libya. Ppl in souk al jummah
are determined to push ppl to uprise, many meetings are made there to inform
ppl about reality and show video #tripoli

ppl are missing few things in daily routine, but what is
missing more is salary so ppl can buy #tripoli #Libya Many attack took place
still in homes by G since he wanna breakdown ppl, and make sure none are
demonstrating #Tripoli #Libya hard to get out from tripoli now, many are
turned back on many of the checkpoints G refuse ppl leaving #tripoli #libya

To get out of country via tripoli now is by smuggling
mostly, all foreign aid supposed to go to #Tripoli ppl go to G for his personal
needIl Hospital are missing more and more personel as they are killed for being
witness or simpy disapear #Tripoli #Libya Moam84: MoAm84 I'M WHAT YOU
WANT!Best way to leave tripoli is by night more secure less surveillance G fear
NATO wich friend did this night #Tripoli #Libya schools open but still
refusal from teachers 2 go back since not secure G now refuse them their
salary, at first he buy them with it #Libya Mosque are now for many
infiltrated and even Imam are target of G of they do not support him #tripoli
#Libya

feel so good to know my friend is alive 7amdoullilah, will
upload as soon as he have money for cybercafe all the video he took from
tripoli

And amdoullilah he wanna cross back the border to join FF on
#FF held territory, so proud of him... He say he wanna liberate #Tripoli
#Libya

My friend did confirm stories we heard about ppl being
forced out if their houses for G rally, his familly was threathen of threathen
of burning their house killing his mother and sisters if him and his dad did
not convice all the family to go to the square

From: http://blogs.aljazeera.net/middle-east/2011/05/20/disappearing-spring


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:08 AM
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11. Kenya’s Oilibya cuts off Gaddafi
Muammar Gaddafi’s travails in Libya have spread to Kenya where an oil company under his control has agreed to no longer fund the embattled leader of the North African nation.

Eoin O'Cinneide 20 July 2011 08:03 GMT

Oilibya, which sells Libyan oil in Kenya, is turning off the taps on any payments to the Libyan government which owns its parent company, Oil Libya Kenya.

Sanctions against Gaddafi’s regime by the US and other nations have, eventually, led the East African offshoot to put a hold on any kick-backs which may make their way to the dictator.

Oilibya managing director, Rida Hassan Elamir, was quoted in various media as writing in a statement yesterday: "Recently to comply with the sanctions, the company's shareholders have given categorical instructions that all affiliates are to comply with all local and international regulations required of them and are not to remit any funds to the shareholder, Libya Oil Kenya Holdings Limited."

http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article268316.ece

(20 July article - was this posted before?)

Glad to see this - Desmond Tutu has said that Africa has enabled Gaddafi, and not held him accountable.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:16 AM
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12. Hardships in Tripoli Buoy Rebels
By CHARLES LEVINSON

ZINTAN, Libya—Motorists in Libya's capital can wait days for fuel, and when they get it they have to spend about $12 a gallon—when they used to pay 60 cents. Bank withdrawals are limited to 1,000 Libyan dinars (about $625) a month. The prices of bread and other food staples have doubled.

People who recently left Tripoli tell of a city whose struggle to carry on with life as normal masks a pervasive fear. They speak of near daily house raids by the Public Guards, Col. Moammar Gadhafi's security force dedicated to stamping out any hint of dissent. But they also describe signs that the regime's control may be weakening, as young loyalists are shipped to a front line that is creeping ever closer to the capital, and frustration mounts with growing shortages and rising prices.

....

In the neighborhood, old women ululated in joy at the sounds of North Atlantic Treaty Organization airplanes in the sky and the subsequent explosions. Other's shouted "Allahu Akbar," he said.

All those interviewed said there were nearly daily arrest raids in their neighborhoods. Muhannad, a 24-year-old from Tripoli, said six of his neighbors were dragged off in the middle of the night two weeks ago and haven't been seen since. Security officers told the neighbors they had received a tip they were harboring weapons and supporting the rebels.

Even among the security forces, supposedly made up of those most loyal to Col. Gadhafi, there were signs of unease with the regime, said Muhannad.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904772304576470121855868848.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:24 AM
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13. Rebel say offer for Gaddafi to stay in Libya expired



Wed Jul 27, 2011 12:56pm GMT


BENGHAZI, July 27 (Reuters) -

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Abdel Jalil said the offer was made about a month ago through United Nations envoy Abdel Elah al-Khatib with a two-week deadline attached. The two weeks had passed and the offer was no longer valid, he said.


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76Q13Z20110727




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:30 AM
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14. Land mines slow Libyan rebels’ march toward Tripoli
By William Booth, Published: July 26

KIKLAH, Libya — First Milad Saadi and his men pray. Then they walk into a minefield.

Saadi carries a poker; it looks like a car antenna. The sappers have an old metal detector, the kind used to look for lost coins at the beach, but they don’t use it much; the batteries are weak.

Despite losing eight lives in the battle for control of Qawalish, rebels in Libya remain defiant against the Gaddafi regime. And, in this fighting, a laundry list of the rebels' limitations was exposed. (July 15)

Twenty paces from the roadside, they find their first land mine, then a second, a third. They twist off the plungers that would trigger the devices and toss the bland, beige, deadly disks into a blue bucket. The mines are the size of a doughnut.

In less than an hour, they have found 125 Brazilian-made T-AB-1 antipersonnel mines.

“Stick around, we will find a thousand in this field today,” said Bashir Ghourish, a member of the seven-man de-mining team from nearby Zintan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle-east/libyan-rebels-take-it-slow-demining-fields/2011/07/23/gIQAgP1EaI_story.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:36 AM
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15. NATO airstrikes conducted Tuesday

Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:20pm GMT


(Reuters) - Following are the latest NATO military operations in Libya.


• NATO said it conducted 134 air sorties on Tuesday, 46 of them strike sorties to identify and hit targets.


• NATO said key targets hit on Tuesday included:


-- Five military vehicles, one tank and one military facility near Brega;


-- Four military supply vehicles near Misrata;


-- One military facility and four anti-aircraft systems near Tripoli;


-- One ammunition storage facility near Waddan;


-- One military ammunition supply facility, two military facilities and four military supply vehicles near Zlitan.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76Q0HR20110727?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:57 AM
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17. Hague: Expulsion decision was delayed by concerns about Libyan student funding
The Guardian's Haroon Siddique blogs:

In his statement Hague talked about efforts to secure funding for Libyan students in the UK.


I am conscious that the Libyan students in the UK whose expenses have been paid by the Libyan People's Bureau will be concerned about what this decision means for them. I want to reassure them that we are working closely with the NTC and the relevant banks and will do all we can to make sure that they and their families will continue to receive the funds to which they are entitled.


He said concerns about Libyan student funding delayed the decision to expel the diplomats.

My colleague Lizzy Davies has been talking to a student from Tripoli who is studying at Leeds Met.


"I'm really glad to hear this news because we had the feeling that if the Libyan embassy was still under the control of the Libyan regime we would face financial problems in the future," the student said (he did not want to give his name for fear of reprisals).

He had been so worried about the student allowance disappearing that he had started trying to find a job. "I asked them to find me anything," he said.

If it (funding) had gone, he said, he could not have gone back to Libya under the current circumstances.

"So transforming control from the Libyan regime to the new government is very good news for us as students because we feel safe that our studying will continue."



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/27/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-27


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:03 AM
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18. Libya: MSF Helps Build Psychological Network In Misrata
Libya: MSF Helps Build Psychological Network In Misrata
July 14, 2011

Doctors Without Borders/Médecins San Frontières (MSF) has helped established a network of 30 local psychologists as part of its medical support projects in the city of Misrata, which has been the scene of fierce fighting for more than four months.

In a country that hadn't experienced war for over four decades, there were few psychiatrists. In general, psychology is an often neglected and undervalued aspect of mental health in Libya. MSF therefore focused its psychological activities on helping to build and support a network of local psychologists with access to both patients receiving treatment in the city’s main health facilities, as well members of the community outside the medical system.

“Prior to the war, there were only child psychology services in Misrata for treating conditions such as Down Syndrome or autism, nothing else, and even psychiatry wasn’t really being offered effectively,” said MSF psychologist Elias Abi-Aad. “They had no experience in normal clinical psychology at all, let alone trauma and war-related mental health disorders.”

In addition to providing training in conducting basic therapy and consultations, MSF psychologists shared the psychological treatment tools developed throughout the organization’s 40-year history of intervening in war contexts. “Before I met MSF, my knowledge as a psychologist was very basic,” said local psychologist Fatima Alaylech. “I learnt a lot from their trainings, especially how to deal with post-war trauma because we as Libyans never had this experience before, and I had never treated these kind of patients.”

more... http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=5440&cat=field-news&ref=news-index

I have the feeling this is a repeat but can't find it.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:55 AM
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20. Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught on the value of the UK's recognition to the NTC:
Al Jazeera's Anita McNaught was on the air live from Benghazi a few minutes ago, reporting on the value of the UK's recognition to the NTC.


The increased international recognition is undoubtedly of huge ideological value to the NTC here. They want everyone in Libya to see that the international community has shifted its vote of confidence away from Gaddafi and to the NTC in order, they hope, to persuade the people who are still wobbling among Gaddafi supporters to jump.


In practical terms, they need cash, and they think this is going to help free up the cash they badly need.
They're running out of notes to spend here, they're running out fuel to keep the power generation going and they've got Ramadan coming up, of course the most crucial time for people to be with their families, and salaries have not been paid for weeks.



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-27-2011-1658


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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:06 AM
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21. Brega news
ChangeInLibya Mhalwes
by hominoid555
Brega: Over 20 Gaddafi soldiers incl some doctors & engineers escaped from #Brega to Maradah today maps.google.com/maps?q=29.2145… and surrendered to FF

Des Grant @
@ChangeInLibya do you sources for these fresh reports from Brega ? Al Jaz reporters , just 10 minutes ago knew nothing of this.! ?

Mhalwes @
@dessiegrant Aljazeera wouldn't know what's happening 100km south of Brega - my sources are people in the military/defense branch

des Grant
@ChangeInLibya I know you ate a genuine tweeter and are reliable, I agree about al Jaz , keep us posted

hominoid555 russell renshaw
Libya Brega heavy fighting around the airport area four wounded so far.

ChangeInLibya Mhalwes Brega: After a few days of relative calm, battle are raging in Brega once again - FF brigades are advancing
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:15 AM
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22. New pressure on Gaddafi on foreign and rebel front



Wed Jul 27, 2011 1:55pm GMT


• UK recognises Libyan rebels, frees assets

• ICC says justice must be done, whatever deals struck

• Rebels withdraw offer for Gaddafi to stay in Libya


By Rania El Gamal and Stephen Addison


BENGHAZI/LONDON, July 27 (Reuters) - Pressure increased on Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on Wednesday as the rebels opposing him won diplomatic recognition from Britain and their leadership withdrew an offer for him to stay in Libya if he gave up power.


Britain, one of the main foreign players in the campaign to oust Gaddafi, also expelled his diplomats from London and invited the rebel National Transtional Council to replace them.

...


"This decision reflects the National Transitional Council's increasing legitimacy, competence and success in reaching out to Libyans across the country," Hague said in London.

...


The United States and about 30 other nations have also recognised the opposition, potentially freeing up billions of dollars in frozen funds. Russia has criticised such moves, accusing nations of taking sides in a civil war.

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http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFL6E7IR1Z420110727?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:25 AM
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23. Swiss plan Qatar inspection for weapons

Wednesday, 27 July, 2011, 16:01


The Swiss authorities are planning an inspection visit to Qatar to ensure Swiss-bought arms aren’t being passed on through the country to Libya.


Last week Swiss public television filmed packaging from Swiss munitions manufacturer RUAG inside Libya.


It is against Swiss law to export weapons or ammunition to countries that are involved in conflicts or wars.

...


http://worldradio.ch/wrs/news/wrsnews/swiss-plan-qatar-inspection-for-weapons.shtml?25720




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 10:25 AM
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24. Delete dupe
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 10:27 AM by pinboy3niner


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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 12:01 PM
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25. Gaddafi daughter's war crimes lawsuit against NATO dismissed
Gaddafi daughter's war crimes lawsuit against NATO dismissed
Sapa-dpa | 2011-07-27 17:33:20.0

Belgian prosecutors have declined to investigate a war crimes complaint against NATO filed by Moamer Gaddafi's daughter, saying that their country's universal competence law does not apply in the case.

The law allows war crimes and genocide lawsuits to be brought against foreign leaders, as long as a connection can be established between Belgium and the defendant.

Aisha Gaddafi filed her lawsuit over an April bombing by NATO planes -charged with enforcing a United Nations-mandate no fly zone over Libya -on Moamer Gaddafi's compound, which reportedly killed her infant daughter, brother and two nephews.

Her lawyer argued that the universal competence law applied because NATO has its headquarters in Belgium.

more... http://www.timeslive.co.za/africa/2011/07/27/gaddafi-daughter-s-war-crimes-lawsuit-against-nato-dismissed
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 01:33 PM
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26. Abdullah Al-Sanusi mystery deepens -"appears" on stateTV
Edited on Wed Jul-27-11 01:36 PM by Iterate
Normally an appearance would end speculation, but this clip is so vague it can only add to the mystery. Why not refer to any current event?

FreeBenghazi Libya.elHurra
Sanusi's appearance last night on Gaddafi TV . All but confirms his death #Libya v @freedomgrouptv facebook.com/video/video.ph…
10 minutes ago

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=143870312361445&saved
Abdullah Sanusi on Gaddafi TV, July 26, 2011
von FreedomGroup, News in English
2:47
This interview with Abdullah Sanusi –Gaddafi's intelligence chief and former bodyguard– was broadcast last night (July 26) on the Gaddafi-controlled TV channel. With Sanusi and interviewer, Yusuf Shakir, are three Islamists.

Sanusi accuses the Islamists of helping the Crusaders kill Libyans. He also says that the Gaddafi regime is reconsidering its alliance with Western governments, and allying itself with Islamists, instead.

Oddly enough, Sanusi makes no mention of widespread reports that on July 20, freedom fighters fired two RPGs into a room at the Sheraton Hotel where senior Gaddafi officials were meeting. Sanusi is said to have been killed instantly.

http://www.facebook.com/FreedomGroupEng
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:23 PM
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27. Guardian: Libyan rebel forces rescue 100 hostages from behind enemy lines
Fighters celebrate after audacious raid frees families snatched from Misrata by government troops and held for three months.


Hawa Ahmed (right) with members of her family. The Misratan student was one of 105 civilians rescued in a rebel raid.
Photograph: Irina Kalashnikova for the Guardian


Chris Stephen in Misrata guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 27 July 2011 14.28 BST

Rebel forces in the besieged Libyan city of Misrata have announced the rescue from behind enemy lines of 105 civilians kidnapped by pro-Gaddafi forces.

Commanders said the rescue of families on Sunday was planned in co-ordination with Nato.

The captives were seized in the Ghiran district of Misrata on 24 April while fierce fighting raged in the city.

Art student Hawa Ahmed, 20, said she was woken that morning by government soldiers banging at her door.

"They told us we had 10 minutes to leave, we had no time to take anything," she said

Much more at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/27/libya-rebels-rescue-100-hostages?CMP=twt_gu
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:30 PM
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28. Inside the Libyan Rebels' Mobile-Phone Network
Inside the Libyan Rebels' Mobile-Phone Network
BY Neal Ungerleider Today

While the world is debating what to do in Libya, the rebels have been getting technical--here's a look inside two mobile-phone networks created by the Libyan rebels to make calls without pesky surveillance and jamming. The best part? Local calls are free.

While fighting between Libyan rebels and Muammar Qaddafi's government forces continues, the rebels have gained an innovation--two DIY mobile phone networks of their own. Earlier this month, engineers arrived via fishing boat to set up a mobile network in the recently conquered city of Misurata. The result is a working phone network... where customer service can be found via Twitter.

Ousama Abushagur, a Libyan telecommunications engineer who returned to the country from the United Arab Emirates after the anti-Qaddafi rebellion began, is the founder of rebel mobile phone network Free Libyana. Abushagur, who speaks fluent English thanks to a childhood in Alabama, maintains a constantly updated Twitter feed offering English-language support to users with difficulty accessing the network due to the war.
...

A group of engineers affiliated with Abushagur reportedly entered Misurata after a 30-hour fishing boat trip from Malta. The engineers bought equipment on the boat that was used to rebuild and convert an existing Ericsson base station which was previously used by Libya's state mobile network. Most of Misurata's infrastructure, including communications facilities, was heavily damaged during months of fighting.

more... http://www.fastcompany.com/1769469/inside-the-libyan-rebels-mobile-phone-network
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:38 PM
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29. Libya rebels say plan attack on western mountain town

Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:52pm GMT


NAFUSA MOUNTAINS, Libya, July 27 (Reuters) - Libyan rebels fighting in the western mountains said on Wednesday they planned to launch a major offensive on the strategic town of Ghezaia near the Tunisian border in the next day or two.

A Reuters correspondent saw at least 20 heavily armed trucks moving in the direction of Nalut, close to the border. Another group of around 30 pickup trucks camouflaged with mud, congregated further east, and were preparing to join the assault.


http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFLDE76Q1OK20110727




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:47 PM
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30. Update

"We are reinforcing the position around Nalut and we will attack Ghezaia tomorrow or the next day for sure. We plan to take it," Omar Fakkan, a rebel commander, told Reuters.

He said that forces from a number of rebel-held towns in the Nafusa Mountains were gathering in Nalut, ready for the attack.

Another rebel spokesman said earlier on Wednesday that rebels had launched a small attack on Gaddafi's forces in Ghezaia, destroying three tanks. Gaddafi's forces fired Grad rockets at rebel-held Nalut in response but there were no casualties.

Rebel fighters have taken large swathes of the country since the start of an uprising to end Gaddafi's 41-year rule in February and now control much of the Nafusa Mountains, the northeast of Libya and the western city of Misrata.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/27/libya-ghezaia-idUSLDE76Q1PK20110727




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:01 PM
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32. The Nafusa Mountains are called the Western Mountains
by Gaddafi because he did not want to use an Amazighi name.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 03:54 PM
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31. Gaddafi will "sacrifice"--"We will pay the price with our lives, our women and our children"

Muammar Gaddafi says that he is ready to "sacrifice" in order to defeat NATO and the rebels who are trying to force him from power, according to a new audio message.


"We are not afraid. We will defeat them ... We will pay the price with our lives, our women and our children. We are ready to sacrifice (ourselves) to defeat the enemy," he said in the message to loyalists in the town of Zaltan, near the Tunisian border.


"Traitors, surrender your weapons... Choose: death or surrender."


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-27-2011-2238




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 04:27 PM
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33. High ranking Belarus mercenary commanders where paid by Gaddafi to attack Misratah.
There where lots of rumors that Gaddafi has been paying g to mercenaries from Africa and Latin America to kill his own people, but what I have discovered is that there is others from eastern Europe .

One FF ( Freedom Fighter ) told me a month ago that one of the captured Gaddafi troops told him about a high ranking officers from eastern Europe leading the battles against Misratah at the western front, but they are not sure where they are coming from, he said they looked like Russians but I can not confirm their nationality.

But as I was behind the front line at the western front of Dafnia , doing some technical job , one of the FF told me that as they advanced towards Zleeten and specifiably at Naaima, he found a refiling card and do not know exactly what it was for , he said it looks like a telephone voucher.

On the next day I got the card in my hands as he promised , I was shocked as I looked at the card , it was in Russian language , when I got home I dug to the internet to find more information.

The card was a telecommunication voucher and it was issued on 30.4.2011, this means this card was imported to Libya lately with what I suppose are a mercenaries who entered Libya through the Algerian boarders.

http://www.freemisurata.com/EngArt/archives/481
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 05:01 PM
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34. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 161: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 12:01 AM THURSDAY, JULY 28
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 05:27 PM
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35. U.S. Considering rebel council's request to open embassy in Washington, D.C.

The United States says that it is reviewing a request from the NTC to open an embassy in Washington DC, the US capital.


Mark Toner, the US State Department's spokesman, said on Wednesday that a formal request had been filed, and that while the US was sympathetic to it, certain legal practicalities (such as accreditation) had to be worked out.


"They did send an official request regarding the reopening of their embassy and we're reviewing that request. And we'll work through these issues," Toner told reporters.


Ali Aujali, the Libyan ambassador to the United States, defected from supporting Gaddafi's government in the early days of the uprising, siding with the rebels and backing their council.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-27-2011-2251




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:03 PM
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36. Heinz, 1 minute ago
good morning free libya

brega make good progress with minimal ff lost

zlitan
,after heavy attacks in the area al khums (suply-lines) and direkt airstrikes in zlitan .the forces of the libyen terrorist.have no choise.they have to go back.

nato take care of nalut and daffi will loose another unit there.

this funny boy in sky news who say brega take time up to 2012 must think that a appache is a boy with bow and arrow and ff have only kitchen knives. i have to bring one of my staff to hospital ,becouse he lough nearly to death.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:31 PM
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37. War in Libya forces earnings drop for ConocoPhillips

April Yee

Jul 28, 2011


The interruption of Libyan oil exports because of civil war prompted a large drop in profit for ConocoPhillips in the second quarter.


The third-largest oil company in the US earned US$3.4 billion (Dh12.48bn) in the period from April to June compared with $4.2bn in the same period last year, a decline of 19 per cent.

...


The exploration and production unit, which accounted for 80 per cent of the company's profit last year, suffered as the civil war in Libya halted oil exports.


The company has a 16.3 per cent stake in the country's Waha concession, a collection of fields in the Sirte Basin, where it has rights for another two decades-plus.


After conflict broke out in February, ConocoPhillips withdrew its foreign staff and stopped exporting.

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http://www.thenational.ae/business/energy/war-in-libya-forces-earnings-drop-for-conocophillips




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 06:57 PM
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38. New rebel ambassador to London: We hope rebels will be in Tripoli "in a few weeks"

In the rebel stronghold Benghazi, NTC chairman Mustafa Abdul-Jalil praised the British decision (to recognize the NTC) as an economic and political boost.

The new ambassador to London, Mahmoud al-Naku, told the BBC Col Gaddafi could not stay in Libya once he was overthrown.

"Thanks to the brave men on the ground who now surround the main cities, we hope in a few weeks (the rebels) will arrive to Tripoli," he said.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-14320199



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 07:52 PM
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39. Latest News Mount Nefoussa and Nalut July 28
Freedom fighters in Libya | comments Aezzaby Mohammed, spokesman for the Media Committee of the rebels February 17 Nalut about what the Libyans said the rebels are preparing for an attack to seize the town of Ghazaya

http://youtu.be/oscKgqne8Wc

Translation:
summary--
i would like to inform that nalut is a district/town close to tunisian border.
and also would like to add that the tunisian army is gathering on their side of the border close to there...
we are waiting orders from military command...nafousa mountain FF and nalut FF are grouping together and massing weapons too...so should be something in the next couple of days...
all the FF in the general area(nafousa mnts), goes on to name the local towns - are united in one stand on this attack/blitz comming up..
nalut has been continously attacked by daffi battalions using heavy weapons, particularly grad rockets...putting civilians under daily danger...

commentator : so the strategy is multiple fronts, or one at once?

...true, as in the beginning of this blessed revolution the weapons of the FF were little in number and small weapons, and captured ones...but this has changed..for offensive battles...we have more experience and move in co-ordination and method, more stategy now..
we are awaiting word form military command for go-ahead, as before ramadan is ideal, but we await proper, time..orders to finally liberate the region of daffoi battalions..
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 08:58 PM
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40. Of bullets and blackboards: Libya’s war-weary children hope for return to the classroom


1) A child’s drawing from early April 2011 in Benghazi depicts scenes of the Libyan conflict.
2) A more recent drawing by a child in Benghazi portrays sunrise along the Libyan coast.

BENGHAZI, Libya, 26 July 2011 – Aisha and Aya in Benghazi, Hassan in Al-Bayda and Haya from Nalut all tell me the same thing: They want to go back to school. In fact, virtually every child I speak with in Libya expresses hope for a return to the classroom as soon as possible.

Since the outbreak of conflict here five months ago, most of the country’s schools have closed, leaving the education of nearly 2 million children under the age of 18 in flux – and an academic year lost.

The prolonged school closures reflect the devastating toll wrought by armed conflict in Libya, with teachers turned soldiers, children kept indoors by parents wary of stray bullets and shelling, and a lack of available funds to pay for salaries and supplies. In some schools, children who once filled the corridors and playgrounds with laughter and excitement have been replaced by occupying military forces or displaced families seeking refuge.

From Brega to Benghazi, from Misrata to Tripoli, classrooms are shuttered or otherwise unavailable to the children for whom they were built.

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/laj_59380.html
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-27-11 09:15 PM
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41. Relief and gratitude in Misrata at Britain's recognition of rebel regime


Fear of a Nato plan to divide Libya dispelled by London announcement

Chris Stephen in Misrata
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 27 July 2011 21.01 BST


News spread fast through the networks of radio stations in the besieged city of Misrata that the UK had conferred diplomatic recognition on the Libyan rebels' National Transitional Council (NTC).

...


"When I heard about London I was screaming in my house, I felt so good," said rebel fighter Ahmed Laga.


Much of the reaction showed relief.


"We're very happy," said Anas Rajab, co-ordinator for drug supplies for the besieged city's hospitals. "Some people thought, like me, that maybe they have a plan to divide Libya. But now we dispelled all thoughts."

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/27/libya-rebel-regime-britain-recognition




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:20 AM
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42. Al Jazeera interview video: Gaddafi's failure to meet deadline (4:17)
Interview with Dr. Joseph Kechichian, author on Middle East Affairs and Gulf Times columnist:

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-28-2011-0620


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:54 AM
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43. The Guardian's round-up of latest developments:


Libyan rebels fighting in the western mountains are preparing a major offensive in the Nafusa mountains . "We are reinforcing the position around Nalut and we will attack Ghezaia (on Thursday) or the next day for sure. We plan to take it," Omar Fakkan, a rebel commander, told Reuters.

Al-Jazeera's James Bays recorded this AudioBoo (1:21) on the way to the frontline of the battle.


• Mahmoud al-Nakou, the man being lined up as the new Libyan ambassador to London talked to the Guardian following the expulsion of Muammar Gaddafi's eight remaining diplomats.


"They all knew me … I think they chose me because of my history (as an anti-Gaddafi dissident) and because … of what I offer to my country," he said.

He was ready, he said, to see "a new stage in the history of Libya" marked by "freedom of thinking, freedom of political parties and freedom for journalists."




• Libyan government spokesman Khaled Kaim condemned the UK for recognising the NTC as the "sole governmental authority" in Libya. He said the decision was "unprecedented in diplomatic history" and that he considered it "a stain on the forehead of Britain".

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-1




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:07 AM
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44. **** Libyan rebels launch major assault on several fronts in western mountains ****

Uploaded by AlJazeeraEnglish on Jul 28, 2011


Rebels in the Nafusa Mountains launched attacks at dawn on Thursday across multiple fronts in an effort to push loyalist troops out of towns in the valley.


The main thrusts appeared to come from Nalut, near the border with Tunisia, and Jadu, farther east. Troops loyal to Muammar Gaddafi appeared to retreat from the town of al-Jawsh, and fighting was reporting in Takut, 35km west.


Ghazaya, on the Tunisian border, had been shelled extensively on Wednesday night, according to rebel sources, and also appeared to be a target of the attack, which may have been the largest in the west since the conflict began.


Al Jazeera video report (2:21):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RGaeeXeyJQ&feature=youtu.be


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:22 AM
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45. More on that offensive in the Nafusa mountains
Fropm The Guardian's news blogs:



• Reuters reports: Libyan rebels launched on Thursday an offensive against a strategic government-held town near the Tunisian border, a spokesman said.


"We have started attacking Ghezaia with rockets and tanks," Mohammed Maylud told Reuters, adding that rebels had also hit four other villages along Libya's western mountains.



• NTC UK spokesman Guma el-Gamaty tweeted: Breaking news Libya heavy fighting now by FF 2 liberate AlGazaya & Tkut towns near Nalut west mountain if FF win they get closer 2 tripoli!


• Al-Jazeera's James Bays photographed a group rebel fighters heading towards the frontline in vans and pick-ups.

This Google Map (via @FromJoanne) marks the positions of Nalut (A), Takut (B) and Ghezaia (C).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-2




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:30 AM
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46. Rebel spokesman: "If the ffs make victory today...it will be a significant strategic shift"

The rebel offensive in the Nafusa mountains is aimed at taking out Gaddafi's missile launchers as well as opening up supply routes, the UK's spokesman for national transitional council, Guma el-Gamaty, said in an Audioboo interview .

"If the freedom fighters make victory today and take over all these towns and villages then it will be a significant strategic shift," he said.

It is the biggest offensive in the last two months el-Gamaty claimed, but he declined to say how many fighters were involved.

The attack started around five hours ago, and the earlier reports bode well for the rebels, el-Gamaty claimed.


It is going very well, they have already captured one or two of these villages ... by the end of the day we could see a major victory for the freedom fighters ... It is not wishful thinking, the freedom fighters have put together a massive force in terms of numbers of fighters and arms. They have multi-rocket launchers, they have tanks, they have heavy cannon and they are well prepared and have put together a very detailed plan.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-4




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:42 AM
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47. More war reporting on Twitter from al-Jazeera's James Bays in the Nafusa mountains


Here are his last five updates on the battle from the last 50 minutes:


#LIBYA opp forces are on edge of Badr, but still battles in al Jawsh. They say they are "cleaning it"


#LIBYA Just seen four Gaddafi prisoners captured - all Libyans - not injured. Taken on edge of Badr.


#LIBYA Grads came in close to our truck. Temporarily retreated, but mainly to catch our breath.


#LIBYA Just seen a body of opposition fighter on back of truck leaving Al Jawsh. But no idea yet of overall casualty figures.


#LIBYA Grads being fired back by Gaddafi forces.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-5




The best breaking news reports are coming from Al Jazeera's James Bays and from The Guardian's news blogs (currently being updated by Matthew Weaver).


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:26 AM
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51. Battle update from Reuters:


...


Basim Ahmed, a fighter coming back from the front, said rebels had taken control of parts of three villages and many government troops had fled, but this was not possible to verify.

...


Minutes later a commotion could be heard in the parking lot. A government soldier who had been captured was led to a hospital bed a few feet away from the rebel. He was missing a hand and was barefoot.


The soldier, who gave his name as Hassan, told Reuters that the army was losing the will to fight.


"We don't want to keep fighting. Everybody is against us."
he said, speaking from his hospital cot.

...


Eight wounded combatants lay in the hospital in total -- four rebels and four Gaddafi soldiers. Six other Gaddafi soldiers had been taken prisoner, witnesses said.


Rebels have taken large swathes of Libya since rising up to end Gaddafi's 41-year rule.

...


http://af.reuters.com/article/cameroonNews/idAFLDE76Q1QJ20110728?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:33 AM
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52. Update from AJ's James Bays at the front:

Gaddafi's forces in the Nafusa mountains appeared to have launched a counter offensive in Al-Jawsh, according to the latest {Audioboo) update (1:27) from al-Jazeera's James Bays.

But the rebels claim grad missile are being fired as Gaddafi's forces retreat from the area, Bays reports.

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-8




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:46 AM
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53. Libyan rebels claim western town captured

(AP) – 22 minutes ago

CAIRO (AP) — A Libyan activist says rebel fighters have clashed with government forces in several areas near the Tunisian border and have seized a town along a major highway.

...


Rebels tried to push back Gadhafi's forces from a key supply road that links their western mountain stronghold with Tunisia. (Spokesman Badees) Fessato says rebels seized the town of Jawsh and advanced toward nearby Badr.

He says it was the biggest rebel push there in recent weeks.


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iiXRtSI8QLk5mwKGcSXusykk5G9A?docId=10af95630e494445bc5cc7b4e15231fd




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:10 AM
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54. Rebels take--and lose--town of al-Jawsh; fighting continues--Al Jazeera

By midday local time, rebels had taken and lost the town of al-Jawsh and reached the outskirts of Ghazaya, a significant base for Gaddafi's troops near the Tunisian border.

...


Al Jazeera's James Bays, who approached al-Jawsh with the rebel advance, said fighters initially took the town and moved on but were caught by a surprise counterattack.


Despite hitting al-Jawsh with artillery fire and attempting to clear out Gaddafi's troops, some regime forces apparently remained in town, while others fired Grad rockets after the rebels entered.

...


The fight for Ghazaya continued into Thursday afternoon, and rebels claimed to have seized the nearby town of Takut.


Hundreds of trucks carrying hundreds of fighters were involved in the operation at al-Jawsh, Bays said.


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/20117287598328864.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:17 AM
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57. Latest battle tweets: Rebels forced out of al-Jawsh by rockets and snipers

Rebels fighters in the Nafusa mountains appear to have been forced out of the town of al-Jawsh by Gaddafi's rockets and snipers, according to the latest battle tweets from al-Jazeera's James Bays.


LIBYA opp fighters say they did not retreat from Al Jawsh. It was "a strategic withdrawal"

#LIBYA opp fighters now in a position close to Al Jawsh, but Grads landing nearby.

#LIBYA Fighters say in the town they were prevented from fighting back because of "human shields"

#LIBYA opp fighters have all pulled out of Al Jawsh. They say they were targeted by snipers.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-13




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:15 AM
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59. Libyan rebels fight for western town



Thu Jul 28, 2011 8:58am EDT


By Michael Georgy

NALUT, Libya (Reuters) - Rebels in Libya's Western Mountains launched an offensive Thursday against Muammar Gaddafi's troops, as Portugal followed Britain in granting diplomatic recognition to the opposition.

...


The first dead and wounded from the fresh offensive were brought to Nalut, the nearest rebel town. Hospital sources said they received two dead rebels and 18 wounded, as well as nine wounded Gaddafi soldiers, during the morning.


"We have started attacking Ghezaia with rockets and tanks," rebel spokesman Mohammed Maylud said of a town near the Tunisian border, held by the government since the conflict began and from which it controls a wide area on plains below the mountains.


"The revolutionaries (rebels) closed the crossing this morning after violent fighting broke out in Ghezaia," Ali, who lives on the Tunisian side of the border some 17 km (10 miles) from the town, told Reuters by telephone.


"We are hearing loud explosions in Ghezaia right now. We can also see smoke rising."

...


http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCATRE76Q76620110728?sp=true




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:14 AM
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60. Libya rebels launch offensive in west

By KARIN LAUB
updated 57 minutes ago


CAIRO (AP) — Hundreds of rebels in western Libya launched a broad offensive against government forces Thursday, seizing two towns from them and advancing on others in an attempt to secure a major supply route near the Tunisian border, a rebel spokesman said.


Four rebel fighters were killed and several were wounded in the biggest push in the area since the start of Libya's civil war five months ago, said the spokesman, Badees Fessato. He said rebels captured 18 government soldiers.


Descending from their stronghold in the western Nafusa mountain range at dawn, rebel fighters advanced in several areas along a stretch of more than 100 kilometers (60 miles), said Fessato. He said opposition forces drove government troops out of the towns of Jawsh and Ghazaya, and moved toward other government-held towns in the area.

...


In Thursday's fighting, rebels took control of the town of Jawsh, about 150 kilometers (95 miles) east of the Tunisian border and located along a main road between the border and Tripoli, Fessato said.


They also seized the town Ghazaya, close to the Tunisian border, he said.

...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43925770/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/




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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:54 AM
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48. Is this true? They offered to let Muammar live in Libya if he would just step down?
I saw that on the crawler of the news channel yesterday and thought it completely impossible that they would let him live as a free man in Libya after what he has done to his own countrymen these last many months.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:15 AM
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50. There are reports on it in this thread and the last one
Some NATO powers (principally the UK and France), seeking a quick diplomatic solution, suggested that would be acceptable if the rebel NTC approved.

The NTC even offered it to the UN peace envoy, but with conditions (the NTC would dictate where and under what circumstances he'd stay, etc.), but the NTC now says that offer has expired and is no longer on the table.

Few took it seriously. In reality, a new Libyan government would be obligated to turn Gaddafi over to the ICC. And Gaddafi, in Libya, would be too dangerous and the potential for him to attempt to regain power would always be there.

While the NTC may have toyed with the idea under pressure from NATO powers, it was strongly opposed by just about all other Free Libyans--especially in Misrata.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:25 AM
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62. No, apparently that offered had expired.
http://liveword.ca/libya/2011/07/27/10434/

For more reports, Google

NTC offer expired
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:56 AM
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49. Gaddafi intelligence chief Abdullah Senussi alive
The Guardian reports that Senussi appeared on state TV on Wednesday. Reports from some rebel sources had claimed he had been killed in a rocket attack in Tripoli.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-6

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:22 AM
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61. Except, he did not once discuss the event
during which he was supposed to have been killed. It could have been a previous interview.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:18 AM
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55. Misrata nurses battle for gender equality amid the fighting


Women working at the main casualty hospital in Libyan city are seeing attitudes shift, though men still drive them to work

Chris Stephen in Misrata
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 28 July 2011 11.52 BST

...


War forced the authorities to draft in the women, and the women now want to keep their status after the fighting is over.


"We have more respect, the men see what the women can do," said Obied. "I have more responsibility now after Gaddafi because of the important work we do."

...


.... Normally, female medical students are not allowed near a patient for the first three years of study, unlike their male counterparts. All that has now changed. "When I came here I didn't know anything, not the names of the instruments, nothing," said Hannin Mohammed, 21. "Now I know so much. I am working with the patients."


War has brought other benefits. "Before the war we could not go to a café. Big trouble," explains 21-year-old student Faten Abd. "If you went to a café there would be too many eyes looking at you. They would be talking bad things. Now we can do it, nobody minds."

...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/28/misrata-nurses-equality-libya




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:35 AM
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66. Libya fighting puts Misrata's nurses on hospital frontline – in pictures
Female medical staff, normally subordinate to men in the clinical pecking order, are taking lead roles in treating the wounded – and in the process, quietly waging a war to keep their newfound equality after the conflict ends

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2011/jul/28/misrata-nurses-in-pictures?CMP=twt_gu
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:41 AM
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56. Rebel spokesman reiterates opposition to allowing Gaddafi to stay in Libya

The NTC UK spokesman Guma el-Gamaty has repeated his opposition to allowing Gaddafi to remain in Libya as part of a negotiated settlement.

Speaking to journalists in London he said the idea was silly and unworkable, according to AP.


El-Gamaty says he and rebel leader Mustafa Abdul Jalil, the head of the rebels' council, probably disagreed on whether it was realistic to expect that Gaddafi would take up an offer to stay in the country after stepping down.

But he says such differences were a part of any healthy democracy.


Jalil, appeared to withdrawn his offer to allow Gaddafi to stay in Libya by saying on Wednesday that the deadline for acceptance had now passed.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/28/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-11




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:33 AM
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58. Lawsuit filed vs NATO regarding Libya bombing

updated 34 minutes ago


BRUSSELS (AP) — Attorneys have filed a civil lawsuit in Belgium accusing NATO of killing 13 civilians, including 3 children, by bombing a residence in Libya.

...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43924765/ns/world_news-europe/




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:29 AM
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63. International recognition of Libya's rebel movement (Portugal added)



Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:46pm GMT


July 28 (Reuters) - Portugal on Thursday followed Britain in granting recognition to Libya's rebel National Transitional Council (NTC).

Portugal said it supported "the Libyan people's aspirations in the construction of a free and democratic society" in a Foreign Ministry statement.

...


RECOGNITION OF NTC AS REPRESENTING LIBYAN PEOPLE

Albania

Australia

Austria

Belgium

Britain

Bulgaria

Canada

Croatia

Denmark

France

Gambia

Germany

Italy

Japan

Jordan

Kuwait

Latvia

Luxembourg

Maldives

Malta

Montenegro

Netherlands

Panama

Portugal

Qatar

Senegal

Slovenia

Spain

Turkey*

United Arab Emirates

United States


RECOGNITION AS OF NTC LEGITIMATE POLITICAL FORCE

China**

Russia***

Sources: Reuters, official government websites

NOTES:

* Turkey first recognised the National Council as a legitimate representative of the Libyan people in June. However, officials said that did not mean it was the only representative of the Libyan people, and they made the same qualification after Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu repeated this position on July 3. Turkey has cut its diplomatic ties with Muammar Gaddafi's government.

** Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi described the NTC diplomatic chief Mahmoud Jibril as an "important dialogue partner" during Jibril's trip to Beijing in June.

*** Russia will not recognize the NTC as the sole legitimate representative but it does recognize it as a party to the talks, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said.

-- Russia has also said Gaddafi must go, but has criticised the Western bombing campaign and urged talks between rebels and the government. Lavrov suggested recognising the rebel council as Libya's sole legitimate government would not help. (Writing by David Cutler, London Editorial Reference Unit)


http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6E7IR1F120110728?sp=true




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:36 AM
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64. "Younis has been arrested" - false rumor
AJE live Bays "Younis has been arrested"; News conference upcoming... "alleged recent contacts with those in power in Tripoli, namely Qadhafi himself"; "Would explain tensions at the top of command structure in Benghazi"

.................

Statement by YounisMaj. Gen. Abdul-Fattah Younis site (Revolution of Libya) I am a soldier loyal to the Libyan people's revolution against Gaddafi.Benghazi / Libya Revolution site / privateMajor General Abdul Fateh mocked Younes, Head of the General Staff of the Army of the liberation of Libya'santi-organized Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, of false news and rumors, which claimed his arrest earlier in the day.Yunus said in a telephone conversation with the site(Revolution of Libya) from his place on the Eastern Front that the usual system is trying to Gaddafi, to mislead public opinion,the Libyan and the international community by raising false news and false, stressing that it is still in position in the service of the Libyan people and the revolution glorious to overthrowGaddafi.Younis added: "They are trying to falsify the truth and shuffling papers, but the Libyan people the Great Do not be fooled by such nonsense, which aimed to interfere with our work in the leadership of the rebels and the army down to the expectedvictory, God willing.Several sites, electronic newspapers had picked up, unfortunately, in the earlier news is correct that it was AD at dawn today at four in the morning the arrest of Major General Abdul-Fattah Younis, commander of rebel forces, in the region, "Brega".

AJE blogs
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:42 AM
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65. Austria looking at ways to free up Libya money



Thu Jul 28, 2011 10:09am EDT


(Reuters) - Austria wants to unfreeze up to 1.2 billion euros ($1.7 billion) of Libyan assets to transfer to rebels opposing Muammar Gaddafi but needs legal documents from them to do so, a Foreign Ministry spokesman said.


The money belonged to the Libyan central bank before Vienna blocked it following international sanctions and it is now in legal limbo at commercial banks in Austria.


Austria needs the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC) to show that the institution it has set up in Benghazi is a legally-valid central bank "identical to the one in Tripoli", spokesman Alexander Schallenberg said.


"Politically speaking, we want to do it and if there is a legal basis then we will do it," he said on Thursday.


The legal basis would mean providing certification, he said.

...


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/28/libya-austria-idUSLDE76R1C620110728




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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 12:42 PM
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67. CNN: Libyan freedom fighters claim successes in offensive near Tunisia
From Kareem Khadder and Michael Holmes, CNN
July 28, 2011 -- Updated 1620 GMT (0020 HKT)

Djerba, Tunisia (CNN) -- Rebel commanders say their forces have captured five towns and surrounded a sixth in the plains below the Nafusa mountain range which borders Tunisia.

...

Col. Jumma Ibrahim, spokesman for the Military Council for the western mountain region, said several major battles had taken place before the towns were secured.

He named the captured towns as al-Ruwais, Takout, al-Jawsh, Bader and al-Ghazzaya, and the surrounded town as Umm al-Far.

The claimed successes come after one of the biggest rebel offensives in recent weeks and, if true, puts the fighters closer to capturing a significant supply route used by Gadhafi forces.

From: http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/28/libya.war/
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:02 PM
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68. at least, this war against the Libyan people has one (and the only) "positive":

it's making NATO irrelevant, fast. :shrug:


What a total charade.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:17 PM
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69. That's an interesting hypothesis, ma'am
Out of curiosity, on what basis do you make that assertion? NATO would appear to be quite relevant to the people of Benghazi, Misurata, and other areas not under Gaddafi's control.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:36 PM
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70. Recently uploaded video of mercs trying to enter Misrata 04/8/11
Wow - kudos to the Misrata Lions and NATO for stopping the imminent slaughter of innocent civilians.

http://youtu.be/9f8eGFAwlvI
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 01:54 PM
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71. Libyan rebels claim successes in offensive near Tunisia
Djerba, Tunisia (CNN) -- Rebels in western Libya are claiming big successes after a major offensive was launched early Thursday.

Rebel commanders say their forces have captured five towns and surrounded a sixth in the plains below the Nafusa mountain range which borders Tunisia.

Hundreds of rebels moved from their mountain positions at dawn. With heavier weapons leading the way with lighter armed fighters following, they initially encountered fierce resistance from the loyalists of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi.

Col. Jumma Ibrahim, spokesman for the Military Council for the western mountain region, said several major battles had taken place before the towns were secured.

He named the captured towns as al-Ruwais, Takout, al-Jawsh, Bader and al-Ghazzaya, and the surrounded town as Umm al-Far.

Ibrahim said rebels were now negotiating with Gadhafi troops inside Umm al-Far.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/07/28/libya.war/index.html
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 03:25 PM
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72. NTC: General Abdulfatah Younis Assassinated
From the current NTC press conference (Tweeted by ChangeInLibya):

NTC Abdul Jalil: We confirm that General Abdulfatah Younis has passed away today. His friends Mohammed Khamis & Naser too.

NTC Abdul Jalil: This happened after the General was called by the NTC to a meeting to discuss the situation in Brega.

NTC Abdul Jalil: General abdulfatah younis did not make the meeting and the gunman is under custody right now.

NTC Abdul Jalil: We declare: 1) A period of 3 days to honor Mr Abdelfatah younis 2) That everyone behind the assassination will be caught.

NTC Abdul Jalil: 3) That this is the last warning for all armed groups still operating in Benghazi trying to cause problems for revolution.

From: http://twitter.com/#!/ChangeInLibya

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 04:37 PM
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73. Abdel Fatah Younis
Abdul Fatah Younis (Template:Lang-ar عبد الفتاح يونس) (1944 - July 28, 2011) was a senior military officer in Libya.<1> He held the rank of General and the post of Minister of Interior, but resigned on 22 February 2011, amid the 2011 Libyan civil war.<2> He was considered a key supporter of Muammar al-Gaddafi<3> or even No. 2 in the Libyan government.<4>

In resigning, he urged that the Libyan army should "join the people and respond to their legitimate demands".<2> In an interview with John Simpson on 25 February, he said he believed Gaddafi would fight to the death, or commit suicide.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdel_Fatah_Younis
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:17 PM
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76. Poster on AJE blog
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 05:18 PM by tabatha
The assassination of Younis in Cyrenaica is no stranger than the FF's having precise information on where Mansur Daw, Sa'if, Suleiman, and other Gadaffi regime officials might be in Tripoli. In fact, it might be even more likely that Gadaffi might be able to do this because of the established intelligence network and paid spies. Younis had a large bounty on his head...if the assassin can collect it! Several media persons and even a major musician have been targeted for killing by regime moles.

Yes...there are even loyalist "sleeper cells" still within Benghazi. They've paid people to leaflet, grafitti and in efforts to have "rent a demonstrations". Several women came forth with these claims after they were recruited to undertake these actions. As well, several major media figures and even a musician famous for his anti-Gadaffi songs have been assassinated.

But it could be "arranged" by Gadaffi by "leaking" intentionally a bogus document implicating Younis. Then when the recall occurred they could lie in wait for the assassination. It would likely need some sort of inside help, though, to get the timing and identity of the vehicle right.
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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:05 PM
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74. Just a question, please.
How long should support for this full-fledged civil war, that is splitting the country, last?

If the latest move to recognize the Libyan rebel forces as the official government, which supposedly allows the U.S. to fund the rebels with the more than $30 billion in Libyan assets that have been frozen in American banks works, and the Transitional Government takes over the financing of their war, how long should the US thru NATO be involved in this civil war?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 05:14 PM
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75. It is not a civil war.
The Libyan uprising is against the Gaddafi regime only.

The TNC have offered to repay NATO for the war.

The US operation is minimal.
NATO is carrying the burden - with the UK and France at the lead.
NATO will stick to this effort until the end.
The war will probably end soon.



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sad sally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:56 PM
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90. You dispute what the International Red Cross said back in March when this conflict began?
Yesterday (by Worldview Mar. 11, 2011), the president of the International Red Cross declared Libya as “engaged in civil war.”

Why are US troops being paid "Imminent Danger Pay" if their involvement is so limited as you infer.

June 21, 2011, 12:39 PM
Troops Engaged in Libya Campaign Are Receiving ‘Imminent Danger Pay’

WASHINGTON – United States troops participating in the NATO-led campaign in Libya are receiving “imminent danger pay.” Does that make it harder to argue that the American military component of the mission does not rise to the level of “hostilities,” as the Obama administration contends?

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/21/troops-engaged-in-libya-campaign-are-receiving-imminent-danger-pay/?du

Perhaps the US operation is minimal to you, but the costs are growing at an alarming rate - almost up to a billion dollars. I guess will probably end soon might be in 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, or???

Last updated at 10:20 PM on 9th June 2011

The cost of the U.S. campaign in Libya is set to exceed the $750 million Pentagon estimate set out in March, according to a leaked Department of Defence Memo.

The 'eyes-only' DoD dossier said the U.S. had already spent $664 million in Libya by mid-May - a running cost of $60 million a month since the bombing began in March.

At the current rate of spending, the U.S. will have to shell out at least an extra $274 million till the end of the current 90 day no fly zone extension period - brining total expenditure to a minimum of $938 million.

The news came as donors pledged more than $1.3 billion dollars to help support Libya's main opposition group, after countries backing NATO's military mission there met to prepare for the post-Moammar Gadhafi era.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2001778/Libya-war-costs-US-taxpayers-2m-day-Gaddafi.html#ixzz1TSTBFbEn?du

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:13 PM
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151. Yes, the costs are mounting
but it is a drop in the the bucket of the defense budget - and there has been no extra appropriation for the war. There is also a very good chance, as I stated before, that the costs will be repaid by the new Libyan government whenever that happens.

On the ground, the uprising is against Gaddafi, unlike a civil war where two groups of civilians are fighting each other. Civil War: "war between parties, factions, or inhabitants of different regions within the same nation".

A revolution is "an overthrow or repudiation and the thorough replacement of an established government or political system by the people governed" which is what is being attempted in Libya.


From Juan Cole's "Selective Outrage about War"
http://www.juancole.com/2011/05/selective-outrage-about-war.html


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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:09 PM
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84. Not one second longer should US/NATO involve itself with the internal war.
That is the answer.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:03 PM
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87. That is your opinion. Not the opinion of the Libyans.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:05 PM
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95. Some. But even if 99.9% said so, I don't believe Libyans should decide that.
It should be the citizens of the respective NATO states, hopefully respecting national sovereignty and territorial integrity as principles that are for the general good.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:53 PM
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161. LOL, do not be as ridiculous as to claim that you speak for the Libyan people.

You most certainly do NOT.

(And neither do your beloved so-called "rebels", ahem.)
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:15 PM
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77. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 162: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 1:15 AM FRIDAY, JULY 29
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:50 PM
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78. Nafusa Map as of 28 July, 2011
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 06:56 PM
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79. Libyan Rebel Leader's Death Dims Advances

Source: Wall Street Journal


JULY 28, 2011, 7:11 P.M. ET

By CHARLES LEVINSON in Ghazaia, Libya, and MUNEEF HALAWA in Benghazi, Libya


A top Libyan rebel commander was shot and killed by unknown assailants on Thursday, just hours after he had been detained for questioning by the rebel leadership in Benghazi, threatening to plunge the rebel ranks into chaos and infighting.

...


The stunning setback for rebels in the east came at the end of a day of dramatic military victories for opposition forces in the Western Mountains, who launched a multipronged attack on government forces early Thursday. The rebel fighters scored what appeared to be their biggest one-day territory gain since the first days of the uprising.


The latest advances bolster the rebels' foothold in the lowland plains and leave them poised for a push northward to the coast, about 60 miles away, or perhaps to move against the capital itself, where Col. Moammar Gadhafi is believed to be holed up. If they succeed in reaching the coast, they would cut Tripoli's lone remaining supply line from Tunisia.

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The rebels seized control of three towns lying along a stretch of highway in the flat lowlands north of the rebels' mountain enclave, including Ghazaia, which Col. Gadhafi's forces had used for months to shell the lone rebel-controlled border crossing into Tunisia. That crossing is a key lifeline connecting the otherwise isolated rebel territory to Tunisia. By dusk, rebels appeared on the cusp of taking three additional towns, where they said Col. Gadhafi's fighters were surrounded, outgunned and outnumbered.

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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904888304576474401683203660.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:13 PM
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80. In Libya minefields, ill-equipped rebel teams defuse devices


An ad hoc team of volunteers and defectors from Libya leader Moammar Kadafi's military has cleared more than a thousand land mines around Port Brega, site of on-again, off-again fighting.

By David Zucchino, Los Angeles Times

July 29, 2011


Reporting from Ajdabiya, Libya—

He searches for land mines, but he has no body armor or protective mask, no metal detector, no steel-toed boots. He wears dress shoes. His tools are a metal prod and an old rake.

...


Over the last two weeks, the ad hoc team of volunteers and defectors from Kadafi's military has cleared more than a thousand antipersonnel and anti-vehicle mines around Port Brega, site of on-again, off-again fighting between rebels and government forces.


Kadafi's fighters have scattered mines over a coastal desert strip 70 miles long and 40 miles wide, says Col. Saleh Agouri, a bearded army defector who commands Barassi's team.

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The teams have only 10 working mine detectors, all donated by Qatar, Mohammed says. They also have a single armored, mine-resistant vehicle, donated by a construction company in Tobruk that used it to help clear World War II mines.

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Barassi, who retired after 39 years as a police officer, says he couldn't sleep after he heard of civilians maimed by the mines. He drove 150 miles from his home to the mine team headquarters in Ajdabiya to volunteer.


"I can't be a police officer anymore, but I can still help save lives," he says. "It means a lot to me to be able to serve my people."

...


http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-mines-20110729,0,6444557,full.story




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:22 PM
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81. NATO airstrikes conducted Wednesday



Thu Jul 28, 2011 9:20pm BST

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* NATO said it conducted 133 air sorties on Wednesday, 54 of them strike sorties to identify and hit targets.


* NATO said key targets hit on Wednesday included:


-- Three armed military vehicles, two military facilities and one multiple rocket launcher near Brega;


-- One multiple rocket launcher near Nalut;


-- Two surface-to-air missile launchers, one surface-to- air/surface-to-surface missile launcher and three fire control radars near Tripoli;


-- One ammunition storage facility near Waddan;


-- One self-propelled artillery piece and one anti-aircraft gun near Zintan;


-- One military facility, one ammunition storage facility and two military supply vehicles near Zlitan.

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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/28/uk-libya-nato-idUKTRE76R6NT20110728




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 07:36 PM
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82. Killing of general risks Libya rebel split


James Hider
From: The Times (UK)

July 29, 2011 10:15AM

...


The death of General Abdel Fatah Younis risked a dangerous split within the rebel leadership and raised the spectre of infighting. Loyalists of General Younis, who was Colonel Gaddafi's interior minister before defecting to the rebels, threatened at one stage last night to storm the army base where they thought he was being held.

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General Younis was the rebel army's chief of staff and counted among loyalists the special forces who followed him when he defected from Colonel Gaddafi's regime. He has had a long rivalry with his second-in-command, Khalifa Hiftar, who was one of the original plotters in the 1969 coup that brought Colonel Gaddafi to power. Mr Hiftar later became a war hero in the conflict with neighbouring Chad but fell foul of the Libyan leader in the 1980s and went into exile for 24 years in the United States before returning to join the rebels this year.


Supporters of General Younis fired guns in the air as they staged a protest outside the leader's house in an upmarket area of Benghazi. One of his entourage said that he suspected Mr Hiftar, who is the commander of ground forces, of engineering the coup.

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A security official of the February 17 Brigade confirmed that the unit was holding General Younis, whose decades of loyalty to Colonel Gaddafi had always led to questions about his allegiance to the rebels. “They are quite sure he was working for Gaddafi,” the official said.


But special forces supporters insisted that he turned a scrappy civilian militia, with no logistics or chain of command, into a real fighting force.

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/libyan-rebel-leader-shot-dead-ahead-of-questioning-over-family-ties-to-gaddafi/story-e6frg6so-1226104101002




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:46 PM
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85. Beware the scourge of "Kampanyang Ahos."
Rebels have a tendency to conduct internal purges. They can decimate a force, and kill many honest cadres and activists. Further, they can alienate the middle elements.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:53 PM
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86. Pulling crap out of thin air, again.
Please provide solid proof of your claims.

By the way, this is what was reported:
22:29 National Transitional Council Abdulfatah Younis was killed today, together with his friends Mohammed Khamis and Naser. NTC chairman Mustafa Abdel Jalil said in a press conference that Libyan state TV had announced to its listeners that they would “hear good news about Abdulfatah Younis this week.” He was reportedly shot today by a group of gunmen. The Abdel Jalil declared that there will be a period of 3 days to honor Mr Abdelfatah Younis and that everyone behind the assassination will be caught. He also issued a warning to all remaining armed groups in Benghazi that anyone caught firing a single shot in the free areas will be caught and reprimanded.

"Libyan state TV had announced to its listeners that they would “hear good news about Abdulfatah Younis this week." ???

You don't think that Gaddafi was responsible? Gaddafi has a solid, provable, habit of eliminating "traitors". There are facts of many cases, including Gaddafi himself admitting so on TV. I have not heard a single story about the rebels doing the same.

Typical right-wing tactic - blame one side for things the other side would do.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:04 PM
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88. I claimed nothing.
I said that it's important to beware paranoid agent-baiting. Agent-baiting, which is kind of like McCarthyism, or "Gaddafi-baiting," a new-found hope among a certain lot of individuals.

I do not have evidence regarding who killed the rebel military leader. Surely, he is dead.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:06 PM
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91. You provided a whole pyschological assessment of what rebels can do.
Edited on Thu Jul-28-11 10:08 PM by tabatha
Sorry, I don't apply one brush to all of a type.
I would say that the Libyan rebels in many respects are a whole lot different from the rebels in South Africa.

I really do dislike generalizations.

And then your response is once more a psychological assessment of agent-baiting. I don't know what you mean by that. But anything to steer away from the few facts known about the case so far.

What I mentioned in my post was

a) Gaddafi's TV station announced that there would be some good news about Younes this week (before his death).
b) Gaddafi has admitted himself on TV that he has killed "traitors" even if they were in a different country.
c) Younes defected from Gaddafi.
d) Gaddafi has created false reports of Younes' death a few times before now.

I regard that as looking at what evidence is available. You can hang any nonsense psychobabble on that --- I don't care.

All I am saying is that from this weeks' prognostic statement and past behavior there is a very good chance that Younes was killed by Gaddafi. But, I could not swear to it. But there is a larger chance that it was Gaddafi than the Rebels.

Now, see how you can twist that into some other psychobabble.

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:03 PM
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94. Yes, the rebels in Libya are very, very different than those who fought apartheid.
I will agree on that. But my reference was to anti-Marcos Filipino rebels, actually. And I am not saying that the Libyan rebels are indeed engaging in such sectarian intrigues. It's always a danger with groups trying to capture state power. That's one generalization I think is valid.

It is true that pro-Tripoli authority figures have spread Younis-is-dead disinformation in the past - I've seen it. They've also spread Younis-is-"undefecting" disinformation. At least some rebel voices have expressed concern about Younis, as he was a key supporter of Gaddafi for decades. It's, at a minimum, complex. If culprits have been or will be caught, perhaps more facts can come to light.
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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:07 AM
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106. The image of the "rebel" movement in Libya is a carefully constructed fraud. Who knows what is real
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #106
128. Your comment said absolutely nothing.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:02 AM
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103. On second thought...
It does increasingly look like TNC elements are at least partially responsible. Jalil said that Younis was summoned to a panel of judges, and "released on his own recognizance." Sounds like he was prior to that release a ward of the TNC authority. If so, "releasing" him with inadequate protection would certainly be tantamount to setting the stage for liquidation, to say the least. Again, my mention of rebel factional bloodletting is probably germane. It will be interesting to see how the ex-special forces and Obeidi kin react in the coming days, and if this impacts fighting capacity.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 08:05 PM
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83. Rebels sell last of oil stockpile to raise urgently-needed funds--Al Jazeera

A tanker carrying crude oil has sailed from Benghazi, headed towards Sardinia, as Libya's rebels sell the last of their stockpile to raise urgently needed funds, industry sources and ship tracking data said on Thursday.

Traders said the tanker, Captain X Kyriakou, was chartered by Swiss-based trading house Vitol earlier in July and had been seen this week off Marsa El Hariga near Tobruk and Benghazi in eastern Libya, the rebels' stronghold.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-28-2011-2211




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 09:17 PM
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89. Libya rebel leader Younes killed, Benghazi wobbles

Source: Christian Science Monitor



One thing that's certain is that Abdel Fateh Younes, a longtime aide of Muammar Qaddafi who defected to Libya's rebels in February, was murdered today. But the circumstances of his death are murky and troubling.


By Dan Murphy, Staff writer / July 28, 2011


That Abdel Fateh Younes, the longtime enforcer for Muammar Qaddafi whose stunning defection to the Libyan rebellion in February was an early indication of the depth of the challenge to Qaddafi's regime, is dead, you can take to the bank. General Younes had been head of the embryonic rebel army from practically the moment he'd switched sides.


As far as the rest of the story – who killed him, when, precisely where, and why – all remains murk and conjecture, created by cross-cutting rivalries within the rebellion and the often misleading and contradictory way that Libya's Transitional National Council (TNC) communicates with the press and the Libyan public.


This afternoon, reports began to trickle out of the de facto rebel capital Benghazi that Younes was variously under arrest or summoned for questioning by some other element of the rebellion. An early Al Jazeera English post said that "he is being held at an undisclosed military garrison in Benghazi. The reason behind the former minister of interior’s arrest on Thursday has not been made public." Al Jazeera reported that some of Younes's men had withdrawn from the frontlines at Brega and were heading to Benghazi to demand his release.


Then Mustapha Abdul Jalil, the head of the TNC, called a press conference. He said that Younes was killed along with two colonels working with him on the road from Brega to Benghazi and, oddly, that he didn't know where their bodies were. Mr. Jalil said, and other supporters of the rebellion insistently agreed, that Younes had been killed by agents of Qaddafi. That is hard to believe given the security around the men and the earlier claims that Younes was in the process of being arrested for allegedly working as a sort of double agent, still in contact with Qaddafi's people, and, in some accounts, pilfering weapons from the rebellion to send to Tripoli.

...


http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2011/0728/Libya-rebel-leader-Younes-killed-Benghazi-wobbles




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:08 PM
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96. Hopefully the truth comes to light.
If it did involve any sort of factional struggle, I do wonder what might happen. People may wonder, "who's next?" But that may be altogether unlikely. If it was pro-Gaddafi forces, then it does show some operational capacity, striking such a pivotal figure at the very center of the rebel forces.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:30 PM
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92. UN, AU to work together on Libya
Source: AFP


2011-07-28 22:02


Nouakchott - UN special envoy for Libya Abdul Ilah al-Khatib said on Thursday greater co-operation was needed with the African Union (AU) to find a political solution to Libya's armed conflict.


Khatib was in Mauritania for a visit with President Mohamed Ould Abdel Aziz, the head of the AU panel on Libya, where he updated the leader on efforts to find a solution to the six-month-old battle between warring Libyan parties.

...


In an interview with AFP on June 6, the Mauritanian president said Gaddafi could "no longer lead Libya. His departure is a necessity".


The African Union, which long relied heavily on Libya for funding, had initially been critical of the Western military intervention.


http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UN-AU-to-work-together-on-Libya-20110728




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 10:59 PM
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93. Libyan children struggle for normality




28 July 2011 Last updated at 21:08 ET

By Gavin Lee

BBC News, Benghazi

...


At least 70,000 people are estimated to be living in makeshift camps in Benghazi after escaping from areas of intense fighting around Misrata and Brega.


Some are staying in displacement centres, often offices abandoned months ago by foreign companies.

...


Jenny Humphries, from Save the Children, says many of the children are deeply traumatised by what they have seen.


"What (we have) been doing is allowing them to express fears and concerns that they have through art and through drawing, and when we first started working with them some of their images were of quite horrific scenes of rockets and tanks and weapons and actual death scenes," she says.


The volunteers say the drawings over time have become less violent, less filled with hate.


But the question the children ask is still the same: when can they go home?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-14331348




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-28-11 11:46 PM
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97. Isn't parading POWs before TV cameras a violation of Geneva Convention?
A question, because both sides are doing this. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1_8JhyFkw

Both Benghazi and Tripoli television have done this. Of course, this is all for the Libyans to decide for themselves, but it is a notable development.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:09 PM
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144. I think this is documentation not parading.
Because people can claim that there are mercenaries from xyz but they have no proof, and then they will be told they are making stuff up - as has been done.

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:40 AM
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98. Libya rebels set up Paris, London envoys
Source: Zee News (India)


Last Updated: Friday, July 29, 2011, 09:52


Paris: The Libyan rebel movement has installed ambassadors in Paris and London, formalising ties with its main allies in the fight to topple ruler Muammar Gaddafi from power in Tripoli.


The rebel National Transitional Council's new man in Paris, Mansur Saif Al-Nasr, 63, said he handed his credentials to the French Foreign Ministry and was waiting for the keys to the embassy vacated by Gaddafi's envoys in May.


Nasr said he is a former member of the Libyan human rights league and an exiled opposition movement. He left Libya in 1969 and lived abroad, including 20 years in the United States.


The NTC's coordinator in Britain, Guma Al-Gamaty, said it had nominated Mahmud Nacua, a 74-year-old writer and intellectual, as its ambassador to London.

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http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/libya-rebels-set-up-paris-london-envoys_722829.html




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:11 AM
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99. BREAKING, CNN: Libyan rape victim Eman al-Obeidy comes to U.S. to stay
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Eman al-Obeidy arrives in New York, flies to her final destination

• She had been in a UN refugee facility in Romania since June 6

• She thanks the U.S. government, secretary of state



By the CNN Wire Staff
July 29, 2011 -- Updated 0455 GMT (1255 HKT)


(CNN) -- Eman al-Obeidy, who caught the world's attention in March when she publicly accused members of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi's forces of gang-raping her, has relocated to the United States.


After spending 54 days in a U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees facility in Romania, Obeidy arrived in New York late Wednesday night, then boarded a flight to the destination where she will reside.


She told CNN she is excited and happy to be in the United States, and passed her thanks to the U.S. government and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, adding that she hopes to meet her someday.


Other than her brief conversation with a CNN producer, she said she is not ready to speak to the media.

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http://edition.cnn.com/2011/US/07/29/us.libya.al.obeidy.relocates/




Good for her!


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:31 AM
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100. AP reports new details on Younes death
Via AJE:


A security officer in Benghazi, Fadlallah Haroun, has told the AP news agency that three badly burned bodies were found on Thursday. Two of those found were dead, while the third was unconscious. One of the bodies was "known to be Younis," the AP reported. This account has not been reported by other sources.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-0857




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:56 AM
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101. Death of Rebel Leader Stirs Fears of Tribal Conflict
Source: New York Times


By DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK

Published: July 28, 2011


BENGHAZI, Libya — The top rebel military commander was killed Thursday, and members of his tribe greeted the announcement with gunfire and angry threats. The violent outburst stirred fears that a tribal feud could divide the forces struggling to topple the Libyan dictator, Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi.

...


Mr. Abdul Jalil confirmed that General Younes had been summoned for questioning by the judges, though he declined to say why. He said only that General Younes had been “released on his own recognizance,” rather than either accused or exonerated of anything.

...


But the rebel leader also conveyed an unmistakable anxiety about the feelings of the Obeidi, General Younes’s tribe. Instead of appearing with other members of the rebel council, as expected, he sat at a table with men he said were elders of the Obeidi. He repeatedly said he wanted to “pay respects” to the tribe for its sacrifice and understanding, calling it “strong and deep.” He left the news conference without taking questions.


Moments later, a pickup truck full of angry armed Obeidi tribesmen arrived at the front of the hotel. Some fired their Kalashnikovs at hotel windows, shattering them, and others shot into the air. One man raced with his rifle through the front door of the hotel, and two witnesses said they heard gunshots inside. Security guards and hotel guests crouched behind concrete in front of the hotel for cover.

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“We have been expecting this,” a security guard said as he hustled a group of journalists into the hotel for safety. “They are the largest tribe. They control most of the east.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/world/africa/29libya.html?_r=1&ref=world&pagewanted=all




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:56 AM
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102. Libyan rebel leader is killed, and tribal fissures emerge
...

Abdul Jalil confirmed Younes had been summoned for questioning by the judges, although he declined to say why. He said only that Younes had been “released on his own recognizance,’’ rather than being either accused or exonerated of anything.

...

Abdul Jalil said rebel security forces were still searching for the bodies of the three dead officers, raising questions about how he had confirmed their deaths.

...

Moments later, a pickup truck full of angry armed Obeidi tribesmen arrived at the front of the hotel. Some fired Kalashnikovs at hotel windows, shattering them, and others shot into the air. One man raced with his rifle through the front door of the hotel, and two witnesses said they heard gunshots inside. Security guards and hotel guests crouched behind concrete in front of the hotel for cover.

The eruption of tribal animosities within Benghazi is itself a blow to the rebels’ self-image as a movement bringing the whole country together behind the banner of freedom and democracy.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/africa/articles/2011/07/29/killing_of_a_libyan_rebel_leader_raises_question_of_coalition_split/
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:16 AM
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104. Czech Republic to have "flying" ambassador to Libyan rebel govt - press
Source: České noviny (Czech Happenings)


published: 29.07.2011, 07:56 | updated: 29.07.2011 08:02:51


Prague - The Czech Republic will have an ambassador to Libya´s rebel government in Benghazi even though it will not recognise it as the official government until the rebels control the whole country, Foreign Minister Karel Schwarzenberg told today´s issue of daily Pravo.


"We will not rent any house there, it will be a flying ambassador. Once he will be here, once there, as needed. We must be in contact with the emerging institutions," Schwarzenberg told the paper.


He said he started considering sending a diplomat to Benghazi, the seat of the provisional council, one month ago when he personally visited the rebels and brought them humanitarian aid.


Czech ambassador Josef Koutsky and his subordinates left the embassy in Tripoli in February when an open war between Muammar Gaddafi´s units and the rebels´ military started.

...


http://www.ceskenoviny.cz/news/zpravy/czechrep-to-have-flying-ambassador-to-libyan-rebel-govt-press/668528




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 02:51 AM
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105. Many African dictators own properties in Paris: Report
Source: PTI (Press Trust of India)


PTI | Jul 29, 2011, 12.47PM IST


LONDON: A number of African dictators have bought properties worth multi-million pounds in Paris, allegedly using foreign aid, a media report said.


Scores of the most luxurious houses and apartments in the French capital are now owned by the African leaders who regularly receive European funding, the 'Daily Express' newspaper reported.

...


Libya's Colonel Gaddafi is also thought to be a Gallic property owner, as is Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad who is accused of killing his own subjects in Syria.


A spokesman for Paris prosecutors said all families named in the files will be investigated for "acquiring real estate using misappropriated public funds".



http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/uk/Many-African-dictators-own-properties-in-Paris-Report/articleshow/9406986.cms




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 03:59 AM
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107. Arab Awakening and Western Media: Time for Revolutionary Discourse
(Reformatting mine, to break up long paraqgraphs.)


16:39 07/27/2011

By Ramzy Baroud



...


The Libyan rebellion is another example to note here. Revolution and war in Libya have ignited a heated debate among Arab intellectuals, pertaining to the use of violence and foreign intervention – although barely in support of the Libyan regime.


However, for the New York Times, the coverage of the story is often slated and removed from current reality in Libya. The article “Exiled Islamists Watch Rebellion Unfold at Home,” (NYT, July 18) attempted to answer a nagging question concerning the relationship between Islamists and the Libyan rebels. This question is relevant only to western governments. Although the group examined – the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group – has long been dismantled, its alleged former ties with al-Qaeda continue to concern many in the west. While for Libyans, “the men are seen not as an alien, pernicious force but as patriots,” the article claims that many in the West “are trying to assess their influence and any lingering links to Al Qaeda.


Arab revolutions are attempting to examine larger issues that have tremendous impact on all aspects of life. They are actively confronting the suffering caused at the hands of local dictators supported by Western and other foreign governments. Western media and intellectuals, however, continue to seek only easy answers to intricate, multifaceted questions. In doing so, they follow the path of the same superficial, stereotypical and predictable discourse.


While Arab societies discuss democracy, freedom and social justice, Western writers continue to follow the imagined paths of al-Qaeda, Islamists, moderates and extremists. In all of this, they are embarking on yet another futile hunt, a hunt that which will yield no concrete answers, and more misguided policies.





* * * * * * * *



- Ramzy Baroud (www.ramzybaroud.net) is an internationally-syndicated columnist and the editor of PalestineChronicle.com. His latest book is My Father Was a Freedom Fighter: Gaza's Untold Story (Pluto Press, London), available on Amazon.com.


http://tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=5&i=6498




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:21 AM
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108. Syria: Six killed in army raid on eastern city of Deir Ezzor, activists say
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:46 AM
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109. Truce and transitional pact key to ending Libyan crisis – UN official
Source: UN News Centre


28 July 2011 – ceasefire and the establishment of an agreement on transitional arrangements that fulfil the aspirations of the Libyan people remain the only sustainable options for a political solution to the crisis in the North African country, the United Nations political chief told the Security Council today.


“As we have said many times, a ceasefire tied to transitional arrangements which address the aspirations of the Libyan people is the only sustainable political solution to the crisis in Libya,” said B. Lynn Pascoe, the Under-Secretary-General for Political Affairs, when he briefed the Council.


He said that Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon and his Special Envoy for Libya, Abdel-Elah Al-Khatib, have been making that point in all their discussions with key interlocutors around the world.

...


Mr. Pascoe told the Council that both the National Transitional Council (NTC) and the regime of Muammar al-Qadhafi had consistently maintained their stands during meetings with Mr. Khatib.


Both sides are willing to talk, but they are still emphasizing maximum demands at this point and patience is clearly required before detailed discussion can begin,” said Mr. Pascoe.

...


http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39176&Cr=libya&Cr1=




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:35 AM
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110. NBC's Mike Taibbi gives eyewitness report on rebel victories from the Nafusa front
Source: NBC News


July 28, 2011

Libyan rebels battle to regain the upper hand


NBC News’ Mike Taibbi has been reporting from Libya’s western mountains for three weeks and provides an account of a battle he witnessed between rebels and pro-Gadhafi forces.



NAFUSA MOUNTAINS, Libya -

...


At around 4:30 a.m. today we saw a convoy of 30 or 40 heavily armed trucks roll out to join the forces already in position. Our first visit was to a spot overlooking the valley just north of the mountains. The rebels’ objective was to push Gadhafi forces out of two towns where, protected by landmines and human shields, the government’s guys continued to send scores of grad rockets into Nalut where casualties were increasing.


What was apparent to us was that the rebels (in the mountains at least) are not only improving in terms of training and numbers, but they are also leveling the playing field by deploying Gadhafi’s own most fearsome weapon – grad rockets with their 20-mile range – right back at his own troops.



We then went to the most forward position, where we were told no other journalists had been allowed to go, and watched supplemental tank fire going off as part of the task of plowing the road for ground forces. We saw those forces moving in and then went down the mountain into the valley where. <sic>


The rebels have retaken the town of Takut and were on the way to Gazayeh today. At the time of writing, they'd suffered 19 wounded and three killed. We couldn’t confirm what the losses were among Gadhafi’s forces but we saw some brought back as prisoners. By the time we worked our way there, a sort of victory celebration was underway.


The rebels clearly scored a victory today and afterwards morale was high. They cheered each other on, gave each other the high-five signs and shouted Allahu Akbar, or “God is Great,” when their missiles hit their targets.

...


MORE w/ NBC Nightly News video report (2:34):
http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/28/7188236-libyan-rebels-battle-to-regain-the-upper-hand




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:02 AM
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111. Al Jazeera transcript of Jalil's remarks on Younes's death

A translated transcript of remarks by the Libyan opposition leader on the killing of the rebels' military commander.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/07/20117299425463560.html


Video of Jalil's press conference (with translation) is here (11:57):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjFZwUB-Pk0&feature=player_embedded

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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:17 AM
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112. Tweets from Benghazi on Younis's funeral (body apparently was found)

Ahmed Sanalla, in Benghazi, Libya, tweets that Abdul Fatah Younis's body has been brought into the city's Tahrir Square.


The body of General Abdul Fatah #Younis is brought into Tahrir Square #Benghazi...'Chants of your blood will be not be in vain'..#Libya


The NTC president, Abdul Mustafa Jalil, previously said that the body of Younis, and those of two colonels also killed in the alleged ambush, had not been found.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/29/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-12





LibyaInMe is also tweeting on Younis's "funeral procession" at the courthouse on Benghazi's Tahrir Square:


Chanting and a funeral procession now under way in courthouse. People are chanting "martyrs martyrs for Libya's sake" #libya



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/29/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-14




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:37 AM
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113. AP reports on Younis's death; The Guardian to have more soon
A few lines from the Associated Press on the death of Abdul Fatah Younis in Libya. The news agency says "fear and confusion" has gripped Benghazi since the killing, with heavy gunfire being heard early this morning. Residents are "worried that the death of Younis could shatter their military, leaving the rebel-held east vulnerable to attack by Muammar Gaddafi's forces". AP goes on:


Much remains unclear about Younis' death. A rebel leader said Younis was summoned for questioning but shot dead with two aides before he arrived. He said rebels arrested someone for the attack, but had not found the bodies. Rebel security officers said earlier that they had arrested Younis for questioning about alleged ties to Gaddafi's regime, raising the possibility he died in their custody.


We will have a report from Chris Stephen in Misrata shortly.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/29/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-15


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:02 AM
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114. Relatives of Younis pledge allegiance to NTC
Relatives of the Libyan rebels' chief of army staff, Abdul Fatah Younis, have ignored the mysterious circumstances of his death to pledge their allegiance to the NTC, according to Twitter reports.


@EndTyranny101

General Abdul Fatah #Younis's nephew speaking at Tahrir Square #Benghazi..'we will continue the fight for the freedom of #Libya' #Feb17




@ChangeInLibya

BREAKING: ABDELFATAH YOUNIS' SON: It is the duty of every Libyan to get payback for my father & I tell NTC's Abdul Jalil: We're with you

All the nephews and sons of Abdelfatah Younis pledged to fight on with the NTC and said they're #Libya's children just like everyone else.




http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/29/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live#block-18


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:08 AM
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115. The Guardian's Chris Stephen: Rebels have 'serious questions to answer' on Younis's death
Despite the apparent show of unity in Benghazi at the moment, Chris Stephen, in Misrata, writes that Libya's opposition has serious questions to answer about the death of the death of its army chief of staff:


The credibility of Libya's opposition regime, and perhaps of those governments like the UK who have supported it, will suffer a heavy blow unless a fuller explanation can be given for the death of rebel army commander Abdul Fatah Younis.

His murder, by unidentified assailants, was announced at a sombre press conference in the rebel capital Benghazi by Mustafa Abdul Jalil, president of the national transitional council (NTC), but his words left more questions than answers.

...


For Jalil and his colleagues at the NTC, the task is now likely to centre on providing a coherent account of the death that will ease anxieties, not just among rebels, but in the capitals of those powers on whose support the rebels depend for their survival.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2011/jul/29/libya-syria-middle-east-unrest-live


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:33 AM
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116. Arab Spring protests today
Courtesy of The Guardian and its staff who are staying on top of things (Matthew Weaver, Haroon Siddique and Paul Owen):

• In Syria it's the "Friday of Your Silence is Killing Us"

• In Egypt it's the "Friday of Unity and the People's Will"

• In Yemen it's the "Friday of Patience and Perseverance"


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kick-ass-bob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:51 AM
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117. I just wanted to say thank you.
For these posts each and every week. And to all who add and follow as well.

Tremendous job. :applause:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:02 AM
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119. Thanks for your support, kick-ass-bob
It helps to know that others find this useful.

:hi:
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 08:09 AM
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118. Body of Younes in Benghazi's Courthouse Square



The bodies of Younes and his two aides are reportedly in Benghazi's central courthouse square for
Friday prayers. They had been missing and reportedly burned beyond recognition after the Thursday attack.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-1444






Abdul Hakim, the cousin of slain rebel military leader Abdel Fatah Younes, has told the Reuters news agency that his family received a call from Younes around 10am on Thursday morning. Younes said he was returning to Benghazi, Hakim said.

He said they had received Younes's body yesterday - it had been shot and burned.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-1447




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:14 AM
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120. Britain condemns the killing of Younes and calls for a full investigation
Britain has condemned the killing of Younes and called for a full investigation. Alistair Burt, UK minister for the Middle East and North Africa, sent his condolences in a statement:


I condemn the killing of Abdel Fatah Younes ... I have spoken to chairman Abdel Jalil this morning and passed my sincere condolences to him and the NTC leadership. Exactly what happened remains unclear. I welcome chairman Abdel Jalil's statement yesterday that the killing will be thoroughly investigated, and he reiterated this to me during our conversation ... We agreed that it is important that those responsible are held to account through proper judicial processes.



http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-1638


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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:53 AM
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121. No change in NATO strategy in wake of Younes's death--French military spokesperson

Thousands of mourners followed the funeral procession for Younes on Friday and mourners chanted "Martyrs are God's Beloved" as they carried his coffin to a cemetery in Benghazi. At the funeral service, his nephew Mohammad al-Obaidi, called his uncle a martyr and a champion of the uprising against Gaddafi.


Meanwhile, the French military spokesman Col. Thierry Burkhard said there was no immediate change in the NATO strategy in the wake of Younes's death. He said the NATO campaign was based on a UN mandate "and it does not let individual people feature in the game".


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-1704




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:21 AM
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122. Major-General Abdul-Fattah Younis
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:49 AM by tabatha
Freedom fighters in Libya | Lightning: the son of Major-General Abdul-Fattah Younis vows to go ahead with the revolution behind the adviser Mustafa Abdul Jalil, and vows revenge of Gaddafi and his gang.

Alchemist585 Nasr Anaizi by hominoid555Ahmed Bukhattala (commander of Ubaid-ibn-aljarrah brigade) was arrested in #Benghazi in connection w/ AFY assassination Wed evening. #Libya

Ahmed Bukhattala (commander of Ubaid-ibn-aljarrah brigade) was arrested in Benghazi in connection Younis' assassination
(Comment from a Libyan: there is a brigade named after Khalid Ibn Alwalid, Or Umar Ibn AlKhatab (both top followers) in just about every military in the Islamic World (pop, est 1.5+ Billion Ppl))

Videos of the Libyan revolution: very lengthy statement which does not translate well. The gist of it is: Younis was killed by Gadaffi terrorists, all other speculations are false. He was not arrested, nor summoned to Benghazi to answer for any wrongdoings. He is a martyr. All speculations are spread by Gadaffi. The Younis family throw their support behind the NTC

family Abdel Fattah Younes declare their allegiance to the Transitional National Assembly Libya Benghazi (Libya) (Reuters) - vowed on Friday, relatives of the military leader of the opposition to the Libyan armed Abdul Fattah Younis, who was killed on Thursday allegiance to the leader of the political opposition to the President of the Transitional National Assembly in the fight against Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi. He said his nephew, Muhammad Yunus, the crowd Of mourners in the main square in Benghazi stronghold of the opposition that it sends a message to Mustafa Abdul Jalil that the family of Younis will walk with the President of the Council to another road. He added that Libya comes first, that the blessed God for the men of the opposition victory, or selected by the martyrs.There were other members of the family stand next to him. Yunis, killed in mysterious circumstances on Thursday after being summoned from the front near the port of Benghazi to Brega.

AbdulJaleel said Younis was ambushed by a group of Gaddafi thugs after coded messages on Gaddafi State TV

LibyanDuda Libyan Duda
by ears2dgrwnd
Benghazi Friday Sermon: commando of brigades of #AbdelFatehYounis announced their joining under the command #MustafaAbdulJaleel #feb17

Great scene is #Benghazi ;') MashaAllah!
4 hours ago

He was & still a hero, his soul is still between us! InshaAllah #Victory will be soon :) for him & all #Libya martyrs :)
3 hours ago

All the nephews and sons of Abdelfatah Younis pledged to fight on with the NTC and said they're #Libya's children just like everyone else.
4 hours ago

People out in force to pay their respects and to show solidarity, strength and unity. #Libya #Feb17
4 hours ago

This is the biggest and toughest test #feb17 rev. going through and it seems FFs will pass it with merit. Thanks #Libya
4 hours ago

LibyaInMe Libya In Me
by ears2dgrwnd
My uncle who is connected to NTC says that Younis was killed on Wednesday. Announcement came yesterday after murderers were caught.
6 hours ago

Tripolitanian Libyan
by ears2dgrwnd
#Jalil: Anyone found in #Benghazi with a gun will be arrested. via @hodaabdelhamid Agree with Jalil 100%! good call. #Libya
7 hours ago

Libyan
Tripolitanian Libyan
by ears2dgrwnd
I used to think #Jalil was not a worthy leader for the #NTC because he lacked charisma,but I think he has something more important; honesty.
7 hours ago
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:55 AM
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123. Mustafa Mohammed Abdul Jalil – Chairman
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:57 AM by tabatha
Mr Abdul Jalil quit as Libya’s justice minister on 21 February in protest at “the excessive use of violence against unarmed protesters” by the state, the first member of the General People’s Committee to do so.

He was born in the eastern city of Bayda – the historic seat of the Sanusi dynasty and one of the first places to revolt against Col Gaddafi’s rule – in 1952 and studied Law and Shariah (Islamic Law) at the University of Libya.

Mr Abdul Jalil was known during his career as a judge for ruling consistently against the government, according to a report by the Wall Street Journal.

“It’s as if he just wouldn’t lie,” Heba Morayef of Human Rights Watch told the Wall Street Journal. “I have never seen an Arab minister of justice who will publicly criticise the most powerful security agencies in the country.”

“We are the same as people in other countries, and are looking for the same things,” Mr Jalil said. “We want a democratic government, a fair constitution, and we don’t want to be isolated from the world anymore.”

On 9 March, Libyan state television reported that Col Gaddafi’s government had offered a $400,000 (£250,000) bounty for his capture.

http://feb17.info/news/key-figures-in-libyas-rebel-council/
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:13 AM
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124. Officer accuses fellow rebels in Libya killing
BENGHAZI, Libya — A special forces member under the command of the Libyan rebels' slain military chief has accused a rebel faction in the killing.

Mohammed Agoury told The Associated Press on Friday that he was present when a group of rebels from a faction known as the February 17 Martyrs' Brigade came to Abdel-Fattah Younis' operations room and took him away with them for interrogation.

Agoury accused the group of killing Younis and dumping his body outside Benghazi.

...

Abdel-Fattah Younis was killed as he traveled from his front lines operations room to the rebels' de facto capital Benghazi. Attending his funeral, his nephew Hisham al-Obaidi told The Associated Press that the attackers shot Younis, then slit his throat, set fire to his body and dumped it outside Benghazi.

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/07/29/1763497/officer-accuses-fellow-rebels.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 PM
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129. Agoury = Alakora ?
Freedom fighters in Libya | We hope that the Council could control them from the right statement to news agencies and international channels .. Especially at this sensitive time .. I noticed a strange statements such as those released today by the one introduced himself, told the Associated Press as Mohammed Alakora special forces .. Have reservations about his statement, which I regard as an irresponsible statement and conclusions based on personal
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:29 AM
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125. Analysis - Libya rebel killing takes shine off opposition gains



By Peter Apps, Political Risk Correspondent

LONDON | Fri Jul 29, 2011 4:09pm BST


(Reuters) - The still-unexplained killing of Libya's rebel military commander will further undermine outside confidence in an already fragmented opposition, with some suspecting an internal feud is to blame.

...


"The incident has already distracted opposition figures from the front line and is likely to compound their inability to take Brega," said Henry Smith, Libya analyst for London-based consultancy Control Risks. "Rivalries over the militia and military leadership have been apparent for months. An event such as this is likely to exacerbate them amid clear uncertainty."

...


"Recently it looked as if more unity of command had emerged (and) that may now be facilitated further by the removal of a potentially divisive military chief," said Daniel Korski, a senior policy fellow at the European Council on Foreign Relations and a long-term supporter of the war.


"But it nonetheless represents a propaganda coup for Colonel Gaddafi and those who have long dismissed the rebels as perpetually disorganised and incompetent."


...


Libyan rebels have made considerable advances in the western mountains and around the port of Misrata in recent months, but the eastern front has barely moved. Taking Brega and other key nearby port facilities is a key rebel aim as it might allow them to resume oil exports to gain much-needed cash.

...


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/uk-libya-killing-idUKTRE76S47X20110729




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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 11:39 AM
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126. Rebels lookinbg for answers in Younes's death

Supporters of the anti-Gaddafi opposition fights are still struggling to figure out why Abdel Fattah Younes, the rebel military leader, was assassinated on Thursday. "It is a mystery for us because we don't know why he was called in for questioning and we were shocked because we trusted him," said Mahmud Mabruk, a 50-year-old taxi driver.

"We were shocked he was assassinated because he is an important leader for us," Farah Dorbak, 51, told the AFP news agency as he headed into Al-Hiwary cemetery to pay his last respects to Younes. "This is a dishonest betrayal to him, our country and the revolution. It is all Gaddafi's fault."

The circumstances of Thursday's killing of Younes, a former Libyan interior minister and a linchpin of Gaddafi's regime before his defection in February, remained murky on Friday, even as rebels pointed the finger of blame at Libya's leader.

"Gaddafi's channels said there would be a surprise for Benghazi this Thursday - I am afraid this is what they meant," said Mustafa Bayu, 55. "Gaddafi can kill anyone. He's been at it for 42 years."

"He was a big asset for us because he worked for Gaddafi for so long that he knew what his troops have, how they move," said Mohammed al-Reibi, 21, an aerospace engineer.

Others said the death would encourage the opposition's efforts. "This will give rebels in Brega even more more push to go forward and get revenge for this," said a former soldier who fought for Gaddafi in Chad.


http://blogs.aljazeera.net/liveblog/libya-jul-29-2011-1847




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 12:00 PM
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127. Your last two posts are completely contradictory ----
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 12:02 PM by tabatha
much like the reporting on Libya has been.

"The incident has already distracted opposition figures from the front line and is likely to compound their inability to take Brega"

versus

"This will give rebels in Brega even more more push to go forward and get revenge for this,"

The only thing that matters is not conjecture, but results - but it interesting to see competing articles, and this questions the quality of the reporting by some.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:03 PM
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130. Please don't kill the messenger :)
It's worthwhile to be aware of differing reports and analyses--and I post lots of things with which I don't necessarily agree.

Presenting differing reports and views here allows the reader to reach his or her own conclusions. Our work would have far less value if it were only one-sided.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:19 PM
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131. Sorry if I gave the impression of killing the messenger.
I said that it was interesting to see the two perspectives, and thus not to take journalists too seriously.

Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:39 PM
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134. No prob, Tab. I'm sorry that I read that wrong.
No need for you to apologize. I should have known what you meant.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. :hug:

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:22 PM
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132. Needs better translation.
Observations and draw their own conclusions about the circumstances of the assassination and rumors that preceded and followed the assassination of Abdel-Fattah Younis in the light of the information I have and I hope that the Council be taken into account and are not for the purpose of blame, and but for the benefit and are:

1 - Detention of Major General in his home Wednesday night and this lied to promote intelligence tyrant because he was in the front to the nine o'clock am on Thursday
2 - the arrest of Major General, and this is also a lie because he was summoned to investigate and he is not arrested and that the brigade has Petkveb news of his arrest the ninth hour and a half in a phone call
3 - News, who spoke the betrayal of the martyr, and this also lies the promotion of intelligence tyrant to inflict strife and disappointed their efforts in this alias
4 - which had leaked news of calling the brigade from the front to investigate must be arrested and interrogated.
5 - all those rumors broadcast by the mercenary tyrant, and that was intended to keep brigade from the front to easily kill him with the observation even if turns out that the one who assassinated martyr is not the fifth column he had deceived him and pictures of him by one of the Major-General a traitor with the spread of rumors that we have mentioned and do not know from the contact to call Major General Do you do it for (Droushh) or is it common in some form in the plot and therefore must conduct an investigation with him and stopped
6 - Major General was killed shortly after ten o'clock and half after the hour and a half of being called up from the front and is on the way to Benghazi and the time tenth and a half is the time of the last call he made to inform his family that the way to Benghazi
7 - probably that there was in front of the contact killers to tell them to leave the brigade or that there has to catch it from there and should in this case, the investigation of the is present near the Brigade in the front
8 - named Shakir he threw a second attack on a prison spacious (external security previously) and has been very clear why did not heed intelligence personnel revolutionaries of this, and probably it was this process is a resident of the region because it has disconnect power to a specific area which means that it preserves the area well, if at all Praise be to Allah that the rebels have laid down a large number of deserters
9 - the arrest of those who promoted in Benghazi to promote Shakir that the slaves are carried out the attack on the prison for interrogation to ascertain again that the matter does not exceed Droushh superfluous.
10 - Muhammad Yunus, a nephew of the martyr (God willing) he told a crowd of mourners in the main square in Benghazi that it sends a message to Mustafa Abdul Jalil that the family of Younis will walk with the President of the Council to another road. as well as said objects tribe slaves, and in this response for all the doubters of the followers of the system and instigators of sedition like Shakir, as well as dervishes.
11 - my last of the sites and the pages and the stations that have deployed all the rumors before the death of Major General. Unfortunately, for being a reason to call the brigade from the front, and this does not cast responsibility for the burden of the called General and request of Major General on Thursday morning, come to Benghazi, and sorry for being you put in the minds of some people's image is real and unjust to the symbol of this revolution, but you Bsaikm relentless pursuit of the lead have forgotten the main objective assigned to you.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=218613958185499&set=a.173302472716648.35927.173285482718347&type=1&ref=nf

Rumors and lies from Gaddafi.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:30 PM
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133. ALL tribal leaders stated that the only revenge that they seek
In Gen. Abdelfatah's funeral today, ALL tribal leaders stated that the only revenge that they seek is to free #Libya from Gaddafi's regime@ShababLibya on Twitter

libyanfsl Libya NFSL
In Gen. Abdelfatah's funeral today, ALL tribal leaders stated that the only revenge that they seek is to free #Libya from Gaddafi's regime
11 minutes ago

Great ALL tribes : ))
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 01:59 PM
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135. Libyan rape victim comes to U.S. to stay

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

• Eman al-Obeidy arrives in New York, flies to her final destination

• She had been in a UN refugee facility in Romania since June 6

• She thanks the U.S. government, secretary of state



By the CNN Wire Staff

July 29, 2011 12:55 a.m. EDT

...


The relocation is the latest leg in a harrowing odyssey that began March 26, the day al-Obeidy stormed into the Rixos Hotel in Tripoli, Libya, where international journalists were having breakfast, and shouted that she had been taken from a checkpoint and held against her will for two days while being beaten and raped by 15 of Gadhafi's militiamen.


A scuffle ensued, and government officials and hotel staff whisked her outside to a car, and she was driven away.


She wasn't heard from for more than a week. In the days afterward, in interviews with CNN and other media, she spoke graphically of her ordeal and said she feared she would never feel safe in Libya.


In May, she escaped to Tunisia with the help of a defecting military officer and Libyan rebels, and found temporary sanctuary in Qatar before being deported back to Benghazi in Libya in early June.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/07/29/us.libya.al.obeidy.relocates/index.html?hpt=wo_c1




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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:02 PM
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136. Rebels killed Libya's Younes -rebel minister
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 04:17 PM by tabatha
Fri Jul 29, 2011 7:54pm GMT

BENGHAZI, July 29 (Reuters) - Rebel fighters who were sent to bring Libyan rebel military chief Abdel Fattah Younes to Benghazi for questioning killed him and dumped his body outside the city, rebel minister Ali Tarhouni said on Friday.

Tarhouni said a militia leader who was asked to fetch Younes from the frontline near the oil town of Brega had been arrested and had confessed that his subordinates had carried out the killing. The men who fired the shots remained at large.

"It was not him. His lieutenants did it," Tarhouni told reporters in the rebel-held eastern city of Benghazi.

Reporting by Rania El Gamal, Writing by Lin Noueihed)

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Well, we'll just have to see how this plays out. Younes brought 8,000 Gaddafi men with him when he defected. Were 100% of those no longer loyal to Gaddafi, or were they promised $ by Gaddafi.

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The "witnesses" didn't see the killing. In fact the statements conflict with other evidence. The witness claims that he sought to go with Yunis, but Yunis decided to go alone. Yet two other aides were killed along with Yunis? And presumably Yunis' Operations HQ was either in Ajdabiya or Brega...but the body was found, burned, some 40 km outside of Benghazi in a remote area outside of the village Suluq. Why would his kidnappers drive so far to kill, or dispose of the body. There's plenty of open desert without going so far towards Benghazi. And Jalil suggests this was done by some sort of "outside group" - either a paramilitary that refused to join with the main units of the FF military, or a private army with their own independent political agenda.

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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:18 PM
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138. It's all very fishy.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:41 PM
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140. Yes, and it is not helped by journalists
posting opposite stories, and by the many false rumors spread by whom?

I feel bad for the TNC to have been put in this position.

The most important thing is that Younes' tribe - one of the largest in the east (Obeidi) has pledged their full support for the TNC.

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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 04:06 PM
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137. Divided by war, Libyans split over slain rebel
Some held up photos of Younes, while others waved rebel flags.

"We must avenge for him and the least revenge is the head of Gaddafi," Ayad added.

He accused Gaddafi loyalists in the rebel-controlled east of having assasinated Younes. Others spoke of traitors among the rebels as rumours and conspiracy theories spread through the eastern city, the heart of a rebellion that has seized about half of Libya but struggled to unseat Gaddafi.

http://af.reuters.com/article/libyaNews/idAFLDE76S1HX20110729?sp=true
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:39 PM
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139. Major General Suleiman Mahmoud Al-Obeidi
Major General Suleiman Mahmoud Al-Obeidi has already been appointed as Commander of the TNA

Al-Obeidi is from the same tribal group as Yunis, and served as General in charge of the Tobruk district for many decades. He was retired, but emerged in a sort of a coup on February 23rd when he announced that he was leading officers that had split from the regime's orders and would not attack and would actually defend protestors. A close colleague of Yunis, it is reported that his actions led Yunis to defect several weeks later.

He's since taken command of the FF units in Misrata.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29KzxzzzY5s
http://www.sandraoffthestrip.com/2011/02/23/maj-gen-suleiman-mahmoud-officially-defects/
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 05:56 PM
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141. Gaddafi is stronger than ever in Libya
The war on Libya has not gone well. Kim Sengupta's report on Wednesday detailed this starkly:

"Fresh diplomatic efforts are under way to try to end Libya's bloody civil war, with the UN special envoy flying to Tripoli to hold talks after Britain followed France in accepting that Muammar Gaddafi cannot be bombed into exile.

The change of stance by the two most active countries in the international coalition is an acceptance of realities on the ground. Despite more than four months of sustained air strikes by Nato, the rebels have failed to secure any military advantage. Colonel Gaddafi has survived what observers perceive as attempts to eliminate him and, despite the defection of a number of senior commanders, there is no sign that he will be dethroned in a palace coup.

The regime controls around 20% more territory than it did in the immediate aftermath of the uprising on 17 February."

If the Gaddafi regime is now more in control of Libya than before, then this completely undermines the simplistic view put about by the supporters of war – and unfortunately by some elements of the resistance – that the situation was simply one of a hated tyrant hanging on through mercenary violence. Of course, he uses whatever resources he has at his disposal, but a) it would seem that the involvement of imperialism has driven some Libyans back into the Gaddafi camp, as it's unlikely he would maintain control without some degree of support, and b) we know that rebellious sectors started to go back to Gaddafi within mere weeks of the revolt taking off, meaning in part that his resources of legitimising his regime were not exhausted even before the US-led intervention. Despite the defections, he has consolidated his regime in a way that would have seemed improbable in the early weeks of revolt.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/29/gaddafi-libya-nato
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:41 PM
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143. The whole article is based on this premise
"If the Gaddafi regime is now more in control of Libya than before"
Nowhere is there any support for that argument in that article.

Gaddafi is hiding in hospitals, under buildings and moving up to 7 times a day.
He has lost over 60% of the country.
He is losing more every day.
He has lost most of his staff.
He is trying to sell Egyptian assets to pay for the war.
He will run out of petrol in about a month.
There are daily defections to the rebels.

Is the author nuts?

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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:19 PM
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145. The notion that Gaddafi holds of 20% more territory now then on Feb 17th is utterly ridiculous, sir
At this point the only city that he controls now that he didn't then is Zawiya, where he pretty much had to level it to do so. Misrata 3 months ago was like Savajevo in the 90s, divided and largely occupied by hostile troops happy to lob shells indiscriminately and place snipers on any available rooftop to shoot at anything which moves.

Today an essentially amateur force has mostly freed Misrata, as well as closed in on Zlitan. The rebellion has succeeded in consolidating it's hold in the Nafusa mountains, as well as pushing forward into the plains to the south and east of Tripoli, even to the point of re-establishing contact w/ elements in Zawiya. Yes, it's taken longer than anyone hoped. I would say that Gaddafi enjoyed advantaged in both experienced troops and weaponry which the rebels have tried to address by taking its time to both train forces as well as let NATO take out as much of Gaddafi's hardware as possible.

Harping on the supposed "imperialistic" aspect of the conflict only serves Gaddafi's purposes. You (or the author you're quoting, I'm not sure which) might be right that NATO's involvement has, at least partly, backfired and driven some Libyans into Gaddafi's camp. We could quibble about the marginal advantage one way or the other of that versus the effect NATO's had of leveling Gaddafi's supremacy in heavy weapons at least somewhat.

I think the tide has turned in Libya and the stakes are too high for those who have taken up arms to quit now. Even if NATO gets cold feet and takes it aircraft home, the rebels will still persist on the ground because to not do so will invite terrible reprisals by Gaddafi's thugs.

In either case, I think the tide has turned against Gaddafi and the stakes are too high for those who have taken up arms to quit now. Even if NATO gets cold feet and takes it aircraft home, the rebels will still persist on the ground because to not do so will invite terrible reprisals by Gaddafi's thugs.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 06:25 PM
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142. More info coming out
Cyber...it seems the assassination took place by two brothers whose father had died in Derna at the hands of the regime. Yunis was Interior Minister at the time...in charge of the Interior Intelligence Directorate and responsible for the arrest and jailing of many members of the Libyan Islamic Fighters Brigade for their fathers death. Thus the brothers blamed Yunis. They had joined the 17th February Martyrs Brigade and somehow became part of the security escort of Yunis to Tripoli. They clearly know that they have committed a crime...that's why they are on the run.
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al bupp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 07:23 PM
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146. This is the first explaination I've heard which makes some sense
Such a vendetta would be all the motive necessary, and the means seem to have been there. I wonder how much of the stuff having to w/ Younes being called before a "tribunal" or "judges" is simply due to bad translations.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:38 PM
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148. The judges part was definitely a bad translation
as some Arabic speakers on AJE noted.

But the theories are many - I guess one will have to wait for the evidence.

Libya Freedom Fighters | freedom fighters in LibyaFreedom fighters in Libya | special: Source of Transitional Council denies the statement by officials of what is known as one of the battalion, told the Associated Press about the death of Maj. Gen. Abdel Fattah Younes .. And confirms that preliminary investigations suggest the involvement of the Gadhafi buy off those who did heinous crime and investigations are still ongoing about the circumstances of the crime. (Need to find a source other than a post on AJE)


Gaddafi regime says al-Qaeda killed rebel
Al-Qaeda was behind the assassination of Abdel-Fattah Younis, chief of Libya's rebel army, a spokesman for Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi says.

"By this act, al-Qaeda wanted to mark out its presence and its influence in this region" of eastern Libya controlled by the rebels fighting to overthrow Gaddafi, Moussa Ibrahim told reporters on Friday.

"The other members of the (rebel) National Transitional Council (NTC) knew about it but could not react because they are terrified of al-Qaeda," he added.

The killing of Younis was fresh proof that the NTC had no power in Benghazi.

"It is al-Qaeda that has the power in the east," he said.

Benghazi is the city the rebels describe as their stronghold.

"The assassination of Abdel Fatah Younis was a strong message from al-Qaeda to the other members of the NTC," Ibrahim added.

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-world/gaddafi-regime-says-alqaeda-killed-rebel-20110730-1i4tr.html


I would say the Gaddafi regime statement is BS.
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:30 PM
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147. LIBYAN REVOLUTION DAY 163: CURRENT TIME IN LIBYA = 4:30 AM SATURDAY, JULY 30
Libya time = EDT +6 hours, PDT +9 hours, UTC +1 hour, GMT +2 hours







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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:46 PM
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149. NATO silences Qadhafi’s terror broadcasts
Statement by the Spokesperson for NATO Operation Unified Protector, Colonel Roland Lavoie, regarding air strike in Tripoli

A few hours ago, NATO conducted a precision air strike that disabled three ground-based Libyan state TV satellite transmission dishes in Tripoli. The strike, performed by NATO fighter aircraft using state-of-the art precision guided munitions, was conducted in accordance with the UN Security Council Resolution 1973, with the intent of degrading Qadhafi’s use of satellite television as a means to intimidate the Libyan people and incite acts of violence against them.

Our intervention was necessary as TV was being used as an integral component of the regime apparatus designed to systematically oppress and threaten civilians and to incite attacks against them. Qadhafi’s increasing practice of inflammatory broadcasts illustrates his regime’s policy to instill hatred amongst Libyans, to mobilize its supporters against civilians and to trigger bloodshed. In light of our mandate to protect civilian lives, we had to act.

After due consideration and careful planning to minimize the risks of casualties or long-term damage to television transmission capabilities, NATO performed the strike and we are now in the process of assessing its effect. Striking specifically these critical satellite dishes will reduce the regime’s ability to oppress civilians while at the same time preserve television broadcast infrastructure that will be needed after the conflict.

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_76776.htm
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:14 PM
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152. Voice of LJBC not silenced. Still on.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLoNu-iReGM

For example. I am sure that the US-led NATO sees this as a critical time to silence opposition to its campaign.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:18 PM
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154. No, it is to protect civilians.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:27 PM by tabatha
Working online but not in Libya, not in Tripoli. RT @freelebeya @andersoncooper State TV Still working watchfomny.com/tv-arabic.php
58 minutes ago
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:49 PM
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159. Younis blackout?
I do think NATO is not interested in any information or conjecture relating to likely Islamist/rebel liquidation of Younis to be propagated, and certainly not be the Tripoli authorities' media outlets. It is an excellent opportunity to create cleavage in the rebel political alliance, if skillfully exploited.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 05:29 AM
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165. Info control is part and partial to any war, naturally.
For instance, internet has been cut off in Libya from the start, thanks to Gaddafi's orders:



But NATO is going after the fatwas as far as I can tell. Gaddafi daily incites the people to fight and continues to attempt to foment tribal divisions.

Meanwhile Musa claims Al-Qaeda http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/07/30/53937690.html">killed Younis, which is something they probably wouldn't broadcast to the Tripoli people. If Al-Qaeda killed Younis, and Younis was against Gaddafi, then that means that the rebels aren't all Al-Qaeda.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 09:58 PM
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150. Libyan Rebels Allege Rogue Unit Killed Leader
By CHARLES LEVINSON in Zintan, Libya and MUNEEF HALAWA in Benghazi, Libya

The Libyan rebels' top military chief, Abdel Fatah Younis, was killed by rogue rebel fighters who had been sent to the front lines to bring him in for questioning, a rebel minister said Friday, but there were no immediate signs of a destabilizing rift in the opposition.

Ali Tarhouni, the rebel Oil and Finance Minister, said a commission of inquiry had been set up to investigate the killing and it would publish its findings.

Benghazi, the rebels' de facto capital, was tense but calm as thousands gathered to mourn Mr. Younis's death. His relatives, loyal soldiers, and members of his powerful Ubeidat Tribe of eastern Libya vowed revenge. But they also threw their support fully behind opposition leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil and the rebel leadership, reassuring many who feared Mr. Younis's killing would lead to outbreaks of tribal and factional infighting, or violent power struggle within the rebel leadership.

In another reassuring sign, rebel commanders in the front-line city of Brega said Mr. Younis's loyal soldiers, believed to number in the hundreds, returned to their fighting positions on the front lines Friday, a day after they retreated in protest against Mr. Younis's arrest and subsequent killing.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903635604576476392241034956.html

But it is better to google the title. It has some more detailed information. Looks as though the killers, whoever they were were after the three people killed, so I don't know about the sons/Dad retribution story.



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:17 PM
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153. Controversies over Younis assassination in Libya - Juan Cole
Abdel Fattah Younis, military leader of the Free Libya Forces, was assassinated Thursday. Younis was too close to Qaddafi, despite his defection, to remain truly popular with the rebels, and it is a little unlikely that his death will affect the terms of the uprising, despite what some observers are saying. He was not allowed to be a field officer because of the mistrust, so his absence would not affect the battlefield.

In fact, the hardy Free Libya forces of the Western Mountain regions took a strategic town near the Tunisian border as news of his assassination was announced. And, Brega, though being cleared of mines, has fallen to Free Libya forces in the east, a major advance for the rebels. Western observers keep looking for a stalemate, but the rebels have in fact steadily advanced.

Aljazeera English is even reporting that Younis is accused by some of having been a double agent. I have no way of knowing if the allegation has any truth to it, but obviously if it were correct, then that would affect how we should interpret the news of his demise.

On the other hand, Mustafa Abdel Jalil, a leading figure in the Transitional National Council and also a defector from the Qaddafi regime, issued a statement blaming a small armed cell for the assassination and said one had been arrested. Benghazi will now ban the carrying of arms inside the city. Abdel Jalil is clearly afraid that the Obeidat tribe to which Younis belonged might be angered over his death and desert the rebel cause, and went out of his way to reassure them. (In the interests of TNC unity, it is a better story that Qaddafi loyalists got through to Younis than that he was taken out for being a double agent).

http://www.juancole.com/2011/07/controversies-over-younis-assassination-in-libya.html
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:26 PM
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155. The wild parties where #Gadaffi's son Motassem used to blow #Libya's money
libyansrevolt Libyans Revolt
The wild parties where #Gadaffi's son Motassem used to blow #Libya's money bit.ly/owGu1E #feb17

http://youtu.be/lv0Fr-SFwLM
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:43 PM
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157. Some of the partiers were wasting champagne
shaking the bottle and shooting champagne into the air, looked a lot like the rebels wasting ammo, shooting magazines into the air.

Other than that, the party looked a lot tamer than an average low-budget college party. As many people taking photos and video as there were people participating. Tame stuff.

Surely, a creative mind could blow more money than that, if he wanted to let the extravagance run wild.

I hope the rebels hold better parties, once Hillary frees up some of Libya's frozen assets.



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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:48 PM
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158. That was NOT the rebels.
Edited on Fri Jul-29-11 10:49 PM by tabatha
The wild parties where #Gadaffi's son Motassem used to blow #Libya's money

The wild parties where

#Gadaffi's son Motassem

used to blow #Libya's money.

Good grief!
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pinboy3niner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:30 PM
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156. Libyan rebels determined to get to Tripoli - soon


By Charlene Gubash, NBC News


NALUT, Libya – The people of Nalut, a quiet town in the mountains of Libya, gathered together to grieve on Friday. “There is no God, but God and martyrs are beloved by God,” boomed several hundred men standing in long rows, some crying softly.


They prayed before the bodies of three young men who died in Thursday’s offensive against pro-Gadhafi soldiers. The thin faces encircled by white shrouds were young.

...


Nalut has just gained its freedom from four months of almost nightly rocket fire. Gadhafi’s troops had used villages in the valley beneath Nalut to lob deadly Soviet-era Grad missiles into the town and toward the border with Tunisia. Victory was sweet.


After less than a day’s fighting, rebel fighters pushed Gadhafi’s troops out of two cities and a handful of hamlets. The commanding officer in Nalut attributed their success to good planning and the cooperation of rebel fighters from several mountain cities. Rebels mounted a simultaneous attack on Gadhafi forces from several different directions.

...


http://worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/29/7198587-libyan-rebels-determined-to-get-to-tripoli-soon




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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-29-11 10:52 PM
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160. Islamists suspected over Libyan rebel death
...

One rebel commander, who asked not to be named, said Islamists whom Younes had targeted in his job as interior minister may have killed him in retaliation.

"Some of those Islamists are now fighting with the rebels and they have always refused to fight under Younes's command and have always viewed him with suspicion," he said.

"Abdel Jalil could not directly accuse the Islamists because he fears them. And I don't think the investigation will lead anywhere. They don't dare to touch the Islamists."

The government in Tripoli said al Qaeda was to blame.

...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/30/us-libya-idUSTRE76Q76620110730

I wonder, if this rebel commander is right, who is next on the Islamists' hit list. It may weigh heavily in the minds of some.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 12:29 AM
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162. Younis' son: "We want Moammar to come back! We want the green flag back!"
...

At the graveside, Younis' son, Ashraf, broke down, crying and screaming as they lowered the body into the ground and - in a startling and risky display in a city that was the first to shed Gadhafi's rule nearly six months ago - pleaded hysterically for the return of the Libyan leader to bring stability.

"We want Moammar to come back! We want the green flag back!" he shouted at the crowd, referring to Gadhafi's national banner.

...

http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/29/2336584/officer-accuses-fellow-rebels.html
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 12:35 AM
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163. probably the next assassination target. sad altogether. nt
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:03 AM
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167. Once again you've shown how critical thinking
and thoughtful analysis can fit into one line.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 06:10 AM
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168. Poorly?
:P
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 04:22 AM
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164. Libyan TV still on air despite NATO bombing
TRIPOLI: NATO said on Saturday it had bombed three satellite dishes in Tripoli to stop “terror broadcasts” by Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi, but state television remained on the air.

“A few hours ago NATO conducted a precision airstrike that disabled three ground-based Libyan state TV satellite transmission dishes in Tripoli,” NATO spokesman Colonel Roland Lavoie said.

A video of his statement was distributed by NATO’s press service under the headline “NATO silences Qaddafi’s terror broadcasts”.

But Libyan television continued to broadcast, and early on Saturday was showing a repeat of a political talk show from the previous evening.

...

NATO did not manage yet to silence the voices of this network.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-30-11 05:53 AM
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166. Week 24 here:
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