Use the 14th amendment to raise the debt ceiling or not? Whaddya think?

Just because he makes the decision doesn't mean he has to be left to do it alone.

To be clear, I'm not sure if this is the way to go, what the ramifications may be if he were to choose this action. The "experts" can't agree, so I certainly don't have the understanding to make a judgment call.

But even if I was gung-ho and convinced this is the way to go, and let him know repeatedly, that doesn't mean he would "see it my way".
MILLIONS (I'm guessing) let him know what they thought about SS/Med being "on the table", but there it stayed.

Carney has already said "no". I don't understand what the continuing discussions/arguments hope to accomplish.

According to Reuters, White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at his briefing Monday that the 14th amendment "is not available" to end the debt ceiling standoff. "There are no easy ways out here. There are no tricks, there is no citing of the Constitution that suddenly allow us to borrow," Carney told reporters, per Reuters. "It's not available."

"The New York Times notes that Obama expressed doubt about the legality of using the 14th amendment to force an extension during remarks last week. "I have talked to my lawyers," said Obama. "They are not persuaded this is a winning argument."

Throwing my own two cents into the mix: if the president was persuaded to use the 14th in this way, he ... and the entire democratic party ... would rue the day. The pubs would ram it up the dems proverbial butts until the twelfth of never as an unconstitutioal act on the part of the Obama administration. And they'd have a case.

jmo

that intention ahead of time.

Repubs are fighting with teabaggers precisely because they think that something has to be done. If they figure that Obama will save them from responsibility for their stupidity they can just sit back and sing kumbaya with each other. Make them take the threat of default seriously so that Americans can see what teabaggers and republicans are all about.

Then if Obama has to do the "right" thing perhaps the political fallout won't be quite so bad. Otherwise I agree that he and the party may well rue the day.

would be to invoke Article 1, Section 8 and Article 1, Section 10 of the Constitution and nationalize the US currency and banks. Now THAT is constitutional, no question about it.

isn't paper money already an IOU from the US government?

Federal Reserve Notes. The US government borrows this "money" from the Federal Reserve = our debt.

Read G. Edward Griffin's "Creature From Jekyll Island" to discover how JP Morgan tricked Congress out of performing their responsibilities to the American people in regard to their financial wellbeing. The writing was on the wall over 80 years ago, it was just parsed in language very few understood. And most people still don't.

Correction - make that over 90 years ago.

I am interested, theoretically, in the US converting to a unified Parliamentary system, where the President becomes a figurehead like the Queen, and all power rests with the majority party of the most directly elected legislative chamber.

But I am not so interested in LIVING THROUGH the revolutionary period that will accompany that change of government. My standard of living will surely drop in such a financial climate - very possibly to zero.

i'm going to vote NO

None of those were declared by Congress.