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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:42 AM Original message |
Report: Obama Prepared To Raise The Age Of Medicare Eligibility Age To 67 |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. I wonder if Obama knows this would gurantee him a single term presidency. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
13. He will lose Florida and Arizona, at a minimum. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #13 |
81. Would a Repub put it back to 65? |
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SwampG8r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #81 |
93. when will you get tired |
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ejbr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #93 |
199. +1 n/t |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:29 AM Response to Reply #93 |
223. A choice between... |
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latebloomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #93 |
238. I like the way you phrase that! |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #81 |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
143. + |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #99 |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #81 |
113. Obama sure won't lower it |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
149. And what has that got to do with anything? It was that kind of |
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Dutchmaster (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:33 AM Response to Reply #149 |
233. Republicans are worse? The last few years gave felt NO different to me |
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hulka38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:25 AM Response to Reply #81 |
228. He's still left of Satan so |
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A Simple Game (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:30 AM Response to Reply #81 |
230. They don't have to raise it to 70. They just need to tell |
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Frisbee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #230 |
252. Ain't that the sad truth! n/t |
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russspeakeasy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:57 AM Response to Reply #230 |
255. he would have negotiated them up to 76. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:42 AM Response to Reply #81 |
250. The Republicans have |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
101. PA. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
122. yep, and maybe Ohio. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:27 AM Response to Reply #13 |
209. He's working for the other side. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:33 AM Response to Reply #209 |
225. He's not working for the Republicons. He's working for Wall Street |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:06 AM Response to Reply #225 |
227. That's the "other side"...............nt |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #227 |
261. I'm up for a class war. |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:32 AM Response to Reply #13 |
224. Is Arizona up for grabs? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. i don't know- i think he would like to get it lower - or have a single payer alteernative |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:54 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Really? If you want to have it lower, why would you agree to something the complete opposite? |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. maybe to raise the debt ceiling without getting to the point soon where all |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I'm sorry but once you harm a program, it's very hard to restore it. Look at the MMA. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
104. Completely bizarro. |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #14 |
105. Cognitive dissonance |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #105 |
175. it's called politics, democracy, and who's got the power. if youve been watching politics for the |
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BulletproofLandshark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. "and the idea that a black man could walk into the white billionaires house and kick ass is silly.." |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
201. his position is weakened because the left ignores the right's best weapon, because |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #201 |
260. It wasn't us that allowed massive deregulation of the airwaves or allowed monopolies to buy up |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:34 AM Response to Reply #14 |
226. So you can read minds now? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. And that he would deserve it. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
183. I wish there was a scenario for that to happen. I cant come up with one. Maybe you can help? nm |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:12 PM Response to Reply #183 |
191. Maybe I could send a candid reply to one of those fundraising emails. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #191 |
259. I send them back with comments all the time. Doubt they have effect. nm |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
208. He also plans another payroll |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
2. THIS IS NOT ABOUT DEBT! |
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certainot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
27. because the greedy corporate jet fume sucking dittohead teabaggers |
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Lasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
40. You are correct, it is not. |
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tallsherri (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
82. Medicare Age |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #82 |
94. And the millions that cannot afford it will have to hope they make it to 67. |
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Fearless (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #82 |
100. Whose health reform law? And welcome to DU! |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #82 |
102. That's a big fat maybe...this is absurd. This proposal is immoral and produces no savings...n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
106. ".... purchase health insurance at a reasonable cost "? Bwahahahahahahahahah! |
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cordelia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #106 |
144. Oh, yeah. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #144 |
160. I'm paying a retired-but-group rate of $500+/mo. I asked the Indiv. rate and was told "$900+." |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #82 |
108. Maybe a giant Monkey |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #108 |
146. "planning and execution", is right. It never ceases to amaze me that this simple fact |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #108 |
161. Mmmm.... Gummy bears... Mmmmmmm |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. It's so easy to get health insurance on the open market when you're 65 or 66! |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I know. That's why Medicare was invented in the first place. Insurers wouldn't cover seniors. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #3 |
60. + |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:54 AM Response to Reply #3 |
109. He'll be long out of office by then. |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
111. Those of us who are self-employed know this. The rest of America will learn the hard way |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #111 |
164. After 2014, businesses will have no incentive to provide health insurance coverage anymore |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
251. So true - |
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CBGLuthier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:46 AM Response to Original message |
4. Ahh the old we got ours fuck you ploy |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. For certain he doesn't have to worry about this. Nope. Doesn't affect him or his. |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:48 AM Response to Original message |
5. Oh for pete's sake - just raise the payroll reduction. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Agreed. Or allow everyone to participate. That would pretty much end private insurance...great! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
28. We would have to keep raising it quite often. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
75. IT'S THE Obvious answer! |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:49 AM Response to Original message |
7. Let's face it, we live longer and can work longer. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Not necessarily. What about people who get laid off? This doesn't even save money so why support it? |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:06 AM Response to Reply #7 |
21. OMFG, what world do you live in? |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. There are a hell of a lot of elders staying in the work force who DON'T have health insurance |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Exactly so. |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
62. Amen! |
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inna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
147. exactly! thank you |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
23. 65 becomes "early" retirement now? |
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onyourleft (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. At what jobs? n/t |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #7 |
110. You are how old, and doing what work? Tell me "67" and "construction," and MAYBE I'll give you |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
127. Too bad there aren't any jobs for those who can work longer. eom |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
129. delusional |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:37 AM Response to Reply #129 |
211. I guess you'll have buck-up and quit whining. |
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Cali_Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #7 |
136. One of the most uninformed posts I've seen in a while |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
184. Use your head. Just because we could work longer doesnt mean there will be jobs for us. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
210. Nothing personal but I do not like you. nt |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
229. Let's face it: you have no fucking clue what you're talking about |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:40 AM Response to Reply #7 |
249. Are you hiring? Please PM me your address so I can send you my resume. |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
10. Totally unacceptable. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
11. And meanwhile the rich and corps get to enjoy this country for free, while we take up the slack |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
30. Never. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. At the bottom of this, is lobbying and the fact that to run for office, one needs HUGE $$$$$$$$$$ |
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sad sally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
118. The idea of campaign reform is as dead when our party |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. Exactly, and that means there are NO elections at all. We may as well be watching |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
12. If he does, I'm writing someone in next year. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:41 AM Response to Reply #12 |
212. Pete DeFazio for president! .........nt |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
16. So much for 'Medicare for all' |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. Not much difference is there? And what little difference there is, is bad for most of us. |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
18. Well at least I will get to see my boomer coworkers enjoy retirement. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
163. Yep. Our fault for when we were born! We had the Beatles, too! |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
22. Life expectancy is 15 years longer now than when Medicare was established. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:13 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Where is that stat from? That is way off. Life expectancy argument is bull. Insurers hate seniors |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Sorry. Here's the source: |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:27 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Medicare wasn't enacted until 1965. Also, people have a rough time getting health care before 65 as |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:30 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. That's referring to Social Security, not Medicare. eom |
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Jim_Shorts (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
200. That link is to an article about SS ,not a stat sheet |
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newportdadde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
33. This is false, 1965 - 70.2, 2010 - 78.2 |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #22 |
52. It is a big fucking deal to people who might die hungry and poor because of this. |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
67. Oh FFS. Retirement age would increase as well. They would still have employer insurance. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. You are not accounting for people who get laid off and can never find employment. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #67 |
84. Arrrggghhh! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #67 |
114. "THEY"? You're partaking of the Fountain of Youth, I presume? ("Employer insurance"?) |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
123. Where are these people employed? |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #67 |
124. They. Don't. Have. Jobs. Do I need to type slower? n/t |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
130. evidently because she keeps pushing this b.s. |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:12 PM Response to Reply #130 |
173. There are those for whom Fox is an easier meal... (not personal, just as a general observation) |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
131. Oh FFS, you forgot about the self-employed. |
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nobodyspecial (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #67 |
141. Yeah, if we had employers |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
168. Mark my words, employer insurance is going to be an archaic perk before long |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 06:01 AM Response to Reply #168 |
222. For a great many of us, it already is. |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
239. Do people who work at WalMart have employer insurance? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #22 |
112. SAY WHAT?! Uh, NO. Americans haven't gained 15 yrs since the LBJ Administration, FGS. |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
120. And apparently we are trying our hardest to reverse that trend |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:31 AM Response to Reply #22 |
231. Wrong |
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FreeStateDemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
25. Hillary is lookiing better everyday. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:28 AM Response to Reply #25 |
55. Hillary is 63 will be 64 in Oct. and 65 in 2012 according to most she is too feeble to hold a job |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #55 |
76. What about retiring before you're too feeble to enjoy it |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:34 PM Response to Reply #55 |
126. What do you mean "too feeble to hold a job" at 65? |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:20 PM Response to Reply #55 |
138. Where are these "regular jobs" of which you speak? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #55 |
165. Completely stupid "logic." No-one is claiming automatic feebleness. But one trusts you HAVE heard of |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:32 AM Response to Reply #55 |
232. You're a massive fool |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #232 |
256. You fuck off. I was only pointing out you can't argue out of the side of you mouth. If Hillary is |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
29. The actions of the President these past several weeks have destroyed any trust left between liberals |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
34. How does he not think he won't be reviled after pulling this crap? |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. It still doesn't mean progressives won't vote for him in 2012, especially if a tea party element |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:52 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. If they vote for him, |
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still_one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. It can be argued that if they vote for him it isn't because they endorse his inane proposals to cut |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
63. That is "logic" that has boxed us in for the last twenty years. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 04:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
213. That was part of the plan. |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
35. Obama's consideration of this cut to Medicare |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:34 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Thank you. Tea baggers are already running ads that they are the defenders of Medicare. We are |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:08 AM Response to Reply #41 |
242. I keep hearing this. |
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INdemo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
38. If Obama doesn't want a second term he should step back and allow |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:46 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. I, truly, do not understand why so many blindly support this man. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
65. A visual aid: |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
125. Thanks N/T |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:41 PM Response to Reply #65 |
145. Great stuff...lol!!! |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
43. Beginning in 2014 |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. The problem is the costs of paying for insurance when you are in you mid-sixties. |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. WE do |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:05 AM Response to Original message |
48. Report: Obama prepared to Raise The Age of Medicare Eligibility to 100 |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
150. WOW just wow. No, sorry. Denial isn't a good excuse anymore n/t |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
53. 67 to start for current 40 yr old and under is reasonable. We are living longer and working longer. |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:30 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Totally Agree... |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Wait til you hit your 60's before you say it's no big deal. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #53 |
72. Because nobody wants to employ people in their 50's and 60's, that's why. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:13 AM Response to Reply #53 |
77. This is ridiculous. False choices. Let's force people to work until they die so they never collect |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #53 |
80. Who is 'we'? Life expectancy for African American Men is 70.9 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Well we are givng them 20 years to brace themselves. What's wrong with you? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:50 AM Response to Reply #85 |
97. No I can't. It is really depressing... |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:34 PM Response to Reply #85 |
174. With fucks like these the Republicans are redundant. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #174 |
187. THANK YOU |
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Piltdown13 (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
159. Exactly! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:24 AM Response to Reply #53 |
83. The GOP hearts you. Really they do. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:30 PM Response to Reply #83 |
157. Who is talking about dismantling???? I said people are living longer and 20+ yr time to plan is |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #157 |
167. "Democrats" is capitalized the same as "Republicans." J/S. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #157 |
170. No way in hell. Keep your hands off medicare. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #157 |
215. "none at all"? |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #157 |
240. People aren't living longer |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:33 AM Response to Reply #53 |
89. Got Numbers |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #53 |
128. Where are people working longer? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
166. May you get your wish, and need it. |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
182. I agree. |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #182 |
190. "Reasonable" to well-off latte liberals, I'm sure n/t |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:57 PM Response to Reply #190 |
197. I'm well-off? |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #53 |
214. When people do not have adequate |
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_ed_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:35 AM Response to Reply #53 |
235. WE ARE NOT LIVING LONGER YOU FUCKING FOOL! |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #53 |
237. Idiot statement, pure idiocy |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
56. Inherently Unfair |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
57. As a 34 year old.. I have no problems with this... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:45 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Uh what does Medicare have to do with "checks coming in"? |
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Starbucks Anarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
181. Sorry, wrong place. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #57 |
73. Why on earth do you assume that? That's just what anti social safety net people want you to think |
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RoadRage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
92. I'm opting for the "better safe then sorry" option.. |
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RobinA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #57 |
96. "Plan" to Work Longer? |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #96 |
133. state employment |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
115. Your logic is 100% specious. But you go ahead and save; I'm sure you'll stay very healthy forever. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
134. Where are these people to which you're referring working? |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
135. bullshit |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
185. You idiot. There wont be jobs for anyone over 50. nm |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #185 |
186. Sorry, my calling you an idiot was wrong. You are just having a bad day. nm |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
216. Millions of low income American workers |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
258. Was this a drive by? I notice you arent responding to those that disagree w you. nm |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
61. Imagine The Savings If He Raised It To 80 |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. The right would really, really like him then! He will go down as the great Compromiser! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Let's Make It 100 |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
68. And now the inevitable shift from denying that it will happen, to defending it. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Yep. I was surprised people weren't denying it...guess this is the next step. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
74. But..but..he HAS to cut Medicare. The poor guy is powerless. It's not like he has a veto. |
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tsuki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
78. Obama defaults on the working class to protect the elite moneyed class. |
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Safetykitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
79. Responses for review... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
86. We'll see if the words of that extremist leftist, |
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Marrah_G (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
87. yeah- thanks Obama |
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piratefish08 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
88. Fuck. This. Shit. |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #88 |
204. + |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
90. No, no, NO!!! Lower it! To ZERO!!! |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #90 |
95. + |
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Maven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #90 |
139. ++ |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:07 PM Response to Reply #90 |
198. There we go. I was looking for this reply. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:50 AM Response to Reply #90 |
217. You are exactly correct..............nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
91. When does "bipartisanship" become collaboration? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
98. I adamantly oppose this. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #98 |
107. I agree. What makes people think 50+ have access to affordable health care when they lose their jobs |
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jzodda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
103. bad idea... |
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DirkGently (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
116. Indefensible. Just hurting people to hurt them. Not because we need to. Makes no sense at all. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
117. Consider the source of the story, Politico. |
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Major Hogwash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. Thanks, I was just about to say that. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #117 |
151. Fine, what about USA Today? Forbes? If this wasn't true, why doesn't he come out and say so? |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #151 |
171. Yeah but Politico published this article too |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #171 |
188. That's the size of it anymore :( |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
153. Also, the White House confirmed this at a press conference. It's not a secret... |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:15 PM Response to Reply #117 |
155. Lol |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
132. question about this |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #132 |
152. I have no idea. Great question. |
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WCGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
137. Without some kind of single payer program it will just increase the cost |
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nobodyspecial (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
140. That's OK |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
194. Same here, actually dying and cannot get treatment, I think they are thinning us from the herd |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:53 AM Response to Reply #194 |
218. They should just encourage smoking. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
142. If he gets his way, will it be added to his Accomplishment List? |
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Danger Mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
154. Obama will not be re-elected if he touches medicare. He would lose the senior vote... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:55 AM Response to Reply #154 |
219. "He would lose the senior vote" |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
156. "modest adjustments" |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #156 |
192. + |
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oldlib (549 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
158. This is poor judgment |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
162. Hope he enjoys his 1 term !!!! |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #162 |
189. He is fine with being a one term President |
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jillan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 04:53 PM Response to Original message |
169. Don't be calling my house looking for donations. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
172. Poliitico fools the gullible yet once again. |
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Lorien (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #172 |
202. See post #153. nt |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:29 AM Response to Reply #172 |
246. You guys are way off. The White HOuse has confirmed this. Watch the Jay Carney Video |
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MouseFitzgerald (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:00 PM Response to Original message |
176. I'll wait until its official |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
177. If only those Obama supporters had voted for Kucinich in the primaries. . . |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
178. If only those Obama supporters had voted for Kucinich in the primaries. . . |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #178 |
221. He had already dropped out |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:36 AM Response to Reply #221 |
236. Thank you. Amazing, the uninformed. |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #178 |
257. If Kucinich had been running at that time, I would have voted for him. n/t |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
179. "Make no mistake: time for old folks to eat their peas |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
193. I wouldn't do that if I were him! Big, huge, GIGANTIC mistake. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
195. Obama picked most of the people on the Catfood Commission. Always remember that. (nt) |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-28-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
196. K&R |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
203. "Tenative" -- Jeeez, they can talk about all the "tentative" stuff they want. It's just talk. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
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BlueMTexpat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
206. From Politico & a Forbes blog ... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:30 AM Response to Reply #206 |
247. Umm what about the White House confirming this? |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
207. Jobs should be the FIRST PRIORITY |
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PATRICK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:17 AM Response to Reply #207 |
243. Jobs means solvency for medicare and SS |
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on point (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 05:56 AM Response to Original message |
220. Obama the sell out demonstrates he does not understand SSI has NOTHING to do w/ deficit!! |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
234. If you sign a bill that does this, MR PRESIDENT, you will NEVER |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
241. I am so fucking over him. |
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Swede Atlanta (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
244. Yeah...he is willing to screw me...... |
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jschurchin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:23 AM Response to Original message |
245. Yeah, so. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:39 AM Response to Original message |
248. and of course those with money don't see any problem with this |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
253. it didn't happen |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-29-11 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
254. Anyone dreaming of Medicare for All should move to a civilized country, cuz America ain't it. nt |
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