MSNBC's "grave thinkers" want us to beleive there is a backlash coming that be against both parties.

Do YOU think there will be a backlash?

I do.

Do YOU think (as do Messers Todd and Stretch) the backlash will be against both parties?

For the most part, I do NOT. I think the repubicans will suffer for this because of the teabaggers. They have demonstrated that the country does have some limits. And they have exceeded them.

but some at the center right...

I was on an AARP call here in Georgia with Congressman Tea Party Tom "Dr. No" Price, also #3 in house leadership. He was lying through his teeth to the old folks about Medicare and Social Security but he certainly got an earful. One woman even told him she didn't need social security but if he and the republicans screwed up her stocks look out.

No one could understand their irrationality of their actions One person asked why the deficit never bothered him under Bush. Answer, this time its different the bond market blah blah blah.

Everyone was angy at repugs.

they can;t stop pushing that now, it would make them look like idiots (apparently, more than they do now) Or something.

So long as that's the primary phrase I hear about this thing, yes...I think it will hit us both. I'd like to be dead wrong though.

ALL will be blamed, justifiably so.

I don't think it matters what the public thinks of the TPs, but the ruling class is realizing that the pit bull has got too much chain. It's good to have a political attack dog until it starts tearing up your shit.

and I believe it will. GDP from the 1st quarter has just been revised downward. 2nd quarter up a touch. Now once the spending is damned up..it will drop even more. Some might pay now..others later

I think they'll blame the Republicans. But unfortuately, I do think there's a larger segment of the population than we like to admit who would give you a blank look if you mentioned Debt Ceiling or who just vaguely know that "The parties can't come together on anything". Or who are listening to Fox News. I don't know that it's given that Dems will politically "win" this, even though they've bent over backwards to get to a deal. A pox on both your houses might be people's take on this.

For 2 reasons:

1) The Media drumbeat is so relentlessly "Both sides refuse to budge!" even more so than they normally are. The average Joe/Jane is not differentiating between the two because most people don't spend even a fraction of the time attempting to understand the nuances of this stuff, so if all they get is the brief news from the tv or newspaper in snippets then they'll think "Oh both sides are really being stubborn."

2) The few that might pay slightly more attention will realize that although yes the Dems are being more "reasonable" and bipartisan they are still putting a lot of needed, important things on the chopping block including Social Security and Medicare. The apologists can nuance and twist this all they want, but every Democrat of even modest influence within the party are all trumpeting the austerity horn and all have made some allusions to cutting "entitlements". I don't give a shit if they call it "reform" or not, it's still cuts and touching things that don't need to be touched.

They are exposed for the losers they are. The more crazy members of Congress that the media interviews, the more the general public will understand that these people are unhinged.

the issue. Especially if they aren't paying close attention to whatever is going on.

And I have already heard disgust from some life long Democrats about the President's willingness to 'reform' SS and Medicare.

So yes, I think there will be some backlash against Dems too.

put through, I can easily see Obama losing reelection as a result of this process. If he ends up signing cuts to SS/Medicare, he is very likely toast.

This is a disaster for both parties and for Obama. People crave order not chaos and dysfunction in their government.
That is why Clinton was able to capitalize on the government shutdown.

Most are not paying close enough attention to really tease out the differences. And many of those that are, are furious
with the ineptness of both parties. I think there will be hell to pay over this. I just do not know on whom
the ax will fall the most sharply.

than the other, even if the facts should dictate otherwise. The MSM and a largely uninformed public only help perpetuate the likelihood of this equal burdening of the blame and backlash

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's warranted - this is so obviously a one-sided cluster-f*ck it appalls me that people think the Dems are part of the problem.

That said, if my facebook friends are any indication (and I am actually friends with my facebook friends, these aren't just people who exist in cyberspace for me - and most of them are good die-hard Dems), then there is a great deal of animosity to both sides of the aisle. Mind you these are not great economic thinkers - heck of that group of my friends, even the Repubs are pissed only at the Repubs - but they are representative of people who get their news from mainstream sources and believe the lies they're being told about blame belonging to both parties.

I posted Krugman's article "The Centrist Cop-Out" today (http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/29/opinion/krugman-the-centrist-cop-out.html?_r=3&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss) because I was so pissed off at the number of people blaming both sides that I couldn't hold my tongue any longer.

But the fact is, the media is reporting this as a two-sided problem and people believe it. And the ignorance on display is unbearable.

The one main undercurrent I see and hear is just anger at almost all of Washington. This current issue is definitely going to hit Republicans hard (as it should), especially if Obama walks away with a clean bill. If he doesn't, the backlash will be more widespread. Either way, if I was an incumbent I'd be nervous.

but isn't that how the baggers won their elections last november, by telling their constituents to "vote out all incumbents". well they did and look at the mess now. that's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

And my comment had nothing to do with it being the right thing or the wrong thing to do. :shrug:

:eyes:

I was just unsure how you got "all" from my comment. I included the shrug emoticon even to take any edge off my reply. My apologies that it came across as rude. That was not my intent.

Who is understandably fed up with the whole dumbshow going on, and pretend that this person is the equivalent of the millions of Republicans who are alternately pissed at the old guard establishment and the newcomer tea baggers. Which will allow them to use their favorite "both sides" out when it's really the Republicans who are about to take the brunt of the backlash.

to be buffaloed by the Repigs.

Giving in to bullies engenders no respect from the bullies or from anyone watching on the sidelines.

The one between the teabagger whackjobs and the relatively moderate corporate fascists in the Republican Party is not one I'm going to lose any sleep over. Hopefully it would result in a schism that will forever marginalize the RW lunatic fringe and the religious right.

The coming schism within the Democratic Party is less welcome but inevitable. Progressives are constantly advised by the self-proclaimed "realists" in our party to be good little obedient battered wives, because "where else do you have to go?" FUCK THAT AND FUCK THE REALISTS!!! This is one old hippie who has been hippie-punched by the Obama administration and the corporate Democrats for the LAST time, and I know I'm not alone.

The irreconcilable differences between the Wall Street Democrats, formerly known as the DLC, and the traditional FDR/New Deal Democrats can't be papered over for much longer. I know I'm not the only one to grasp the significance of the leader of the Congressional Black Caucus calling out the first elected black president and publicly repudiating his odious "compromise." Conyers stressed what everyone here knows by now: It was Obama and nobody else who put Social Security, Medicare, and Medi-Cal cuts on the table. He wasn't forced into it and he can't pretend he was. "Entitlement" cuts have been part of his agenda all along, as anyone who does a little reading on the Hamilton Project knows.

The fallout from that betrayal isn't going to go away on August 2nd, no matter how the debt ceiling crisis plays out. Obama has already killed his chances for re-election, and he may very well have permanently split the Democratic Party. Personally, I'm not sorry about that even if it's painful in the short run. There has been a huge schism in the party ever since the Clinton years, but the leadership has always managed to paper it over until now. But that just isn't possible any more. Obama showed where his true allegiance lies, and there is no way in hell progressives are going to pretend they didn't see it. Why should we?

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The Backlash will remove every single one of the Teabaggers because they have made it clear they want to destroy the government. Boehner and other Republicans will be in the fight for their lives to keep their seats, I see a good percentage losing them.

August 9th in Wisconsin will tell us which way the wind blows. I think all 6 Repugs lose their seats and when the Nation sees that....they know it will be done at a higher level.

Republicans. Largest and most frequent offenders--
Both parties do it. The Far Left (can someone help
me find the Far Left).

That's been part of the Pub's plan all along, and we're moving along right on target.

The teabaggers rejected their own party's "deal" because they know they can do even better after they force us into default.

I strongly disagree.

They get to shut down everything but the military and the various cop organizations.
That's about all that there will be money for (and you know they'd get the money).

Granny gets thrown off a cliff next week, not next year or in ten years.

To the extreme. People won't be able to afford health insurance. A lot of people will end up on the public dole.

Granny is the one person that is somewhat safe depending on inflation.

That would give the new Teabaggers a pass, since they just got there.
It would hurt mostly Democrats in the Senate, as we are defending far more seats this year.
It would hurt Obama.

I hope people don't fall for the Repigs "wreck the economy and blame Obama for it" strategy,
but it has been working pretty well so far.

but election are long way off. If Dems run with the President instead of against him and the Republicans pick a really terrible candidate then... Dems won't see much backlash.

and most are directing it at the Republicans, but Democrats are going to enjoy their own round of "under the bus" joy.

Both have fucked up. Both will suffer the consequences. This is what you get when Democrats act like Republicans, and Republicans are acting like maniacs. They've all gone so far to the right, they can't find their way out of a sewage pipe if it took needing a left turn.

both now unemployed. They wee expressing their gratitude for unemployment funds, kid's care insurance, a federal mortgage reorganization program, and their LINK card (food stamps), all of which are keeping their heads above water while they look for work. Then they expressed their opinions of Republicans who want to cut these programs. Then they expressed their fears re: the default and those who are moving us toward it.

Keep it up, Tea Party!

he has seemed to be more interested in their good favor than anything, and he just looks weak. Putting Social Security on the table in a room filled with rabid hyenas who will be gone next terms was not a well liked move.

Those who don't pay attention to details only hear the loudest noises.

From the right they hear "Obama Bad".

And sadly, from too much of the left they also hear "Obama Bad".

The fact that those two loud groups use arguments that are separated by about 180 degrees, doesn't matter.

Those who aren't paying attention hear only one refrain ... "Obama bad".

And since he is the head of the Dems, the Dems must also be bad.

Obviously, the MSM is going to want to protect the republicans and carry a "they are both the same message" that will push the folks who are not really paying attention toward that mindset.

But, our eating our own will negate what advantages that there may be with those who are sort of paying attention ...

You know for DARN sure the Rs are blaming BO and the evil liberals ... Far right, mid right, soft right ...

But, we got ours chipping at our standard bearer ...