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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:28 PM
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Why Voters Tune Out Democrats
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In analyzing these polls in the United States, I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government — and that they associate Democrats with government. If Democrats are going to be encumbered by that link, they need to change voters’ feelings about government. They can recite their good plans as a mantra and raise their voices as if they had not been heard, but voters will not listen to them if government is disreputable.

Oddly, many voters prefer the policies of Democrats to the policies of Republicans. They just don’t trust the Democrats to carry out those promises.

When we conducted our election-night national survey after last year’s Republican sweep, voters strongly chose new investment over a new national austerity. They thought Democrats were more likely to champion the middle class. And as has become clear in the months since, the public does not share conservatives’ views on rejecting tax cuts and cutting retirement programs. Numerous recent polls have shown that the public sides with the president and Democrats on raising taxes to get to a balanced budget.

But in smaller, more probing focus groups, voters show they are fairly cynical about Democratic politicians’ stands. They tune out the politicians’ fine speeches and plans and express sentiments like these: “It’s just words.” “There’s just such a control of government by the wealthy that whatever happens, it’s not working for all the people; it’s working for a few of the people.” “We don’t have a representative government anymore.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/31/opinion/sunday/tuning-out-the-democrats.html?ref=opinion
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:35 PM
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1. One too many disappointments
We elect them to be Democrats, then they become Republican Light as soon as they're sworn in.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:54 PM
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2. Would a "Republican Light" present a progressive energy policy like Obama just did?
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 01:55 PM by tridim
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:03 PM
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4. Yes
Thats where the "light" part comes into play.

Third Way Liberals tend to be social moderates, fiscal and defense conservatives.

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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:27 PM
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10. Show me one Republican who supports the initiatives in Obama's energy plan.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:13 PM
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5. while the verbiage is nice, the actual fact is that the compromise
that made this deal hinged on the 'new standards' being left open for review prior to implementation. This means that the numbers being touted today will be altered in 2013. They could be made higher. But if the industry demands, they could also be redrawn at that time in a more 'conservative manner'.
So the new Standards are not yet Standard, and will not be until we get to the place down the road to where this compromise kicked the can. But yes, it is a deal, and yes. I'd praise the new standards, if they were actually set as standards, not as goal points to be altered later as needed.
Some say the devil is in the details. Others say God in in the details. Either way, the details are very important.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:26 PM
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9. The details are right in the links I provided.
It's a good thing, and something Republicans would never do.

And it's just one of hundreds of examples of good things that Democrats like Obama do.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:15 PM
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6. Actually, yes. Policies like those didn't used to be "progressive"...
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 02:15 PM by JHB
...they were the sorts of things Rockefeller Republicans could support.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:23 PM
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8. And the sort of thing modern republicans of any stripe will NEVER support.
Obama is a Democrat, and thus supports energy conservation and fights to protect the environment.

Republicans don't even want to give up their fucking inefficient light bulbs.



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 01:58 PM
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3. Best part
<...>

In analyzing these polls in the United States, I see clearly that voters feel ever more estranged from government — and that they associate Democrats with government. If Democrats are going to be encumbered by that link, they need to change voters’ feelings about government. They can recite their good plans as a mantra and raise their voices as if they had not been heard, but voters will not listen to them if government is disreputable.

Oddly, many voters prefer the policies of Democrats to the policies of Republicans. They just don’t trust the Democrats to carry out those promises.

When we conducted our election-night national survey after last year’s Republican sweep, voters strongly chose new investment over a new national austerity. They thought Democrats were more likely to champion the middle class. And as has become clear in the months since, the public does not share conservatives’ views on rejecting tax cuts and cutting retirement programs. Numerous recent polls have shown that the public sides with the president and Democrats on raising taxes to get to a balanced budget.

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This distrust of government and politicians is unfolding as a full-blown crisis of legitimacy sidelines Democrats and liberalism. Just a quarter of the country is optimistic about our system of government — the lowest since polls by ABC and others began asking this question in 1974. But a crisis of government legitimacy is a crisis of liberalism. It doesn’t hurt Republicans. If government is seen as useless, what is the point of electing Democrats who aim to use government to advance some public end?

<...>

Republicans, with the help of many, have spent the entire time creating the perception that government is "disreputable." They're doing that now, and people simply join the chorus instead of calling out Republicans.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:15 PM
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7. When we do call out the Republicans, the President chides us
and calls them his friends and honest brokers. I used to love to shoot down the GOP. Obama does not approve of that.
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DaveofCali Donating Member (434 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 02:29 PM
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11. If only Americans were more connected to the rest of the world...
...they'd see European Political Systems that are far more to the left and more successful to the point that Conservatives there are far closer to Democrats here (or Eisenhower Republicans). They'd see more successful forms of government.

However, I do agree that Government Power can be a dangerous thing, because the government can act as the ultimate parent of the people, just as a parent can help a child and give lots of things to that child, a parent can also inhibit and abuse the child. However, if American Democracy could really work in an ideal way, we the people could take the reigns of Government fully and use it in our best interests, and especially when the other choice is rule by Profit Greedy Corporations and Aristocratic, Feudalistic loving Right Wingers.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-01-11 07:47 AM
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12. Many European governments use runoff voting and proportional representation
those two things would make an incredible difference here...
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