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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:11 PM
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Progressives Recoil At Reported Debt Ceiling Deal
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/07/progressives-recoil-at-reported-debt-ceiling-deal.php?ref=fpb

Progressive groups are speaking out against the debt ceiling deal currently being hashed out in Washington. The response from two of the nation's largest organizations goes essentially like this: really?!?

Progressives are more than a little upset that the deal does not include new revenues upfront, a line in the sand President Obama drew early on in the process and apparently had to abandon as the cogs of the legislative machinery turned hours before the nation went into default. They're casting the deal outlined on the Sunday talk shows this morning as a huge win for Republicans -- and (yet another) agonizing defeat for the left.

"Seeing a Democratic president take taxing the rich off the table and instead push a deal that will lead to Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefit cuts is like entering a bizarre parallel universe," said Stephanie Talyor, a co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. "One with horrific consequences for middle-class families."

The PCCC called on Democrats to reject the deal.

More at the link --
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:13 PM
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1. Why is this allowed to continue without revenues coming in? What the hell is going on?
I don't understand how behave so stupidly for 31 years. I'm not referring to the right wing, which is evil to the core.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:35 PM
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5. Capitulation and betrayal? Weimar Dems, indeed...
Edited on Sun Jul-31-11 03:35 PM by villager
n/t
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:58 PM
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15. Weimar Dems? What on earth is that? nt
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:16 PM
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2. PCCC? Oh I don't think so.
As if being run by grifter Adam Green (to whom you should totally send three dollars, by the way) isn’t enough to stain PCCC and Bold Progressives’s reputation, PCCC’s co-founder Aaron Swartz was indicted for wire and computer fraud today.
http://www.angryblacklady.com/2011/07/19/progressive-change-campaign-committee-pccc-co-founder-aaron-swartz-indicted-for-wire-computer-fraud/

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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:24 PM
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3. What a load of horseshit.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:37 PM
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6. What's horseshit?
He faces up to 35 years in prison and $1 million in fines for charges related to wire fraud, computer fraud and unlawfully obtaining information from a protected computer. He surrendered to the authorities on Tuesday morning, was arraigned in Federal District Court and pleaded not guilty to all counts. He was released on $100,000 unsecured bond.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/20/us/20compute.html?_r=2
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 04:47 PM
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19. At least be up front regarding what this is about: open access to allegedly public information.
Nice try though.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:39 PM
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7. Innocent until proven guilty, unless you happen to oppose Obama.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:41 PM
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9. Are you saying it's ok because he runs an anti-Obama site?
Wow.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:45 PM
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11. What's OK? He has not been convicted of anything.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:51 PM
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14. You send him money for his defense, then.
Green and his cohorts are SCAM ARTISTS.

He is in it for the money, period, and those on the left fall for it.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 04:02 PM
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16. Just indicted.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:48 PM
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12. Bingo!
The shock troops never fail to surprise me... :eyes:
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 04:03 PM
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17. Is that a new name calling?
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:26 PM
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4. Grijalva (and who knows how many in his caucus) rejecting it.
"Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, progressives were sounding a lot like the groups that represent their interests outside the beltway. That's not a huge surprise -- conservative Republicans have already said they think the deal doesn't go far enough, and it's likely they'll vote against whatever the negotiators come up with. It's the same story with the left. The deal doesn't get anywhere close to what they want out of deficit reduction talks and some have already signaled they won't be voting for it.

"This deal trades peoples' livelihoods for the votes of a few unappeasable right-wing radicals," Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ) said in an fiery statement, "and I will not support it."
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:39 PM
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8. So WTF do they want?
It's not good enough for them? Then what do they want and how are they going to get it through the House and Senate?

So sick of these whiners. All they do is find fault with others while doing nothing themselves.

They want higher taxes? Then elect a Congress that will do so.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:43 PM
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10. No deal.
That's what this liberal wants, no deal.

Then, at the eleventh hour, when pressure is tight, put forth a clean debt ceiling bill and let sane 'Pugs join with sane Democrats and pass it. Failing that, let Obama use the 14th Amendment option. Better a Constitutional crisis than the madness of this "deal".
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 03:49 PM
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13. THEN DO NOTHING! It's that simple. The republicans will avoid default. How many times did they raise
the debt ceiling under w?
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 04:12 PM
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18. You've got to remember the two sides of the same coin...
While it is always commendable to legislate and enact good legislation, I think it is just as commendable to oppose and kill bad legislation. Sometimes all you can do is try to prevent someone else from doing harm to others.
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Jim Lane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-31-11 05:55 PM
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20. At this point, a clean bill is better than any "deal" that can be expected.
You're right, a good tax bill couldn't be passed. The progressives should try to block the bad spending cuts. Then, as default looms, everybody kicks the can down the road with a clean debt ceiling increase.

It might be necessary to accept a small increase that would lead to a replay of this farce early next year. That would be unfortunate, but it would be better than default and better than the kind of slash-and-burn deals I've been reading about.
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