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79. The historicity of Exodus is highly questionable

Tue Apr 23, 2024, 11:14 AM

Apr 23

There may be elements of truth but it’s not a historical account in the same way that the Genesis creation story and Noah’s are are not history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exodus

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Gaza has been burnt to the ground [View all] malaise Apr 23 OP

It is sickening what is happening over there. I with you on this. OLDMDDEM Apr 23 #1

Protest isn't only justified, it is urgently needed. David__77 Apr 23 #2

And use caution when blaming Biden. It's Netanyahu. forgotmylogin Apr 23 #142

I would argue that there's no better time to attempt to influence an incumbent. jimmiles Apr 24 #241

I totally understand. forgotmylogin Apr 24 #244

Burnt to the ground? jimfields33 Apr 23 #3

sorry to hear that the level of devastation doesn't meet your criteria, I guess tell Netanyahu to speed it up Celerity Apr 23 #12

Thank you. niyad Apr 23 #20

Thank you malaise Apr 23 #25

Powerful photos PatSeg Apr 23 #26

Shame claudette Apr 23 #35

the dis-proportionality of response long ago crossed into war crimes territory IMHO, but hey, some assholes Celerity Apr 23 #66

Yeah, you got that right. When Jared talked about developing beachfront property in Gaza, it made PatrickforB Apr 23 #114

Protests at Columbia OrangeJoe Apr 23 #127

Campus police? N/T lapucelle Apr 23 #195

You don't say? Sugarcoated Apr 23 #207

Yes I heard bdamomma Apr 23 #212

Sports scholarship Homoudont Apr 24 #238

Has that changed? SomewhereInTheMiddle Apr 24 #239

According to her mom, my sister OrangeJoe Apr 24 #243

My mistake OrangeJoe Apr 25 #252

Great post sis malaise Apr 23 #130

thank you Celerity Apr 23 #200

It seems comparable to Berlin, at the end of WW2... lastlib Apr 23 #44

That's what it reminds me of, too obamanut2012 Apr 23 #70

Me too MFM008 Apr 23 #225

Or Dresden... csziggy Apr 23 #136

You can bdamomma Apr 23 #214

Tokyo suffered far worse, as did Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Martin68 Apr 23 #198

From the river to the sea Pompoy Apr 24 #232

From Likud (and other smaller radical RW parties) all the way back to the early 20th century Revisionist Zionists Celerity Apr 24 #248

Thank you for posting these... mountain grammy Apr 23 #56

Totally, straight from Naomi Klein. The oligarchs will move in with bulldozers as soon as all the people are dead and PatrickforB Apr 23 #116

Meryl warned us malaise Apr 23 #185

I think the Shock Doctrine approach is about snot Apr 23 #141

no doubt at all mountain grammy Apr 23 #151

Netanyahu can have Slobodan's cell at The Hague., buildings CAN be rebuilt, but NOT the THIRTY-THREE THOUSAND lives. TeamProg Apr 23 #62

Thank you BuddhaGirl Apr 23 #75

Thank you. Goddessartist Apr 23 #84

I've been told that Israel should be praised for its restraint Orrex Apr 23 #93

Great question malaise Apr 23 #146

Your point is indeed valid. Yieks! jimfields33 Apr 23 #105

Perhaps you should not be so casual about some of your comments? PufPuf23 Apr 23 #134

You provided evidence. I thanked you. jimfields33 Apr 23 #135

Celerity provided the visuals of Gaza. PufPuf23 Apr 23 #140

Thank you for your reply. Celerity Apr 23 #169

Thank you AmBlue Apr 23 #110

Wars are super-destructive. Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #111

These pictures are worth a thousand words. Innocent people keep being killed and there needs to be PEACE now. PatrickforB Apr 23 #113

wow... myohmy2 Apr 23 #160

Thanks, Cel, for always having receipts Bettie Apr 23 #184

She sure is malaise Apr 23 #188

thanks sis Celerity Apr 23 #196

Perfect selection malaise Apr 23 #199

awwww, thanks Celerity Apr 23 #189

It will take generations Mr.Bill Apr 23 #192

Thank you whopis01 Apr 23 #203

Thank you from me, as well. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 23 #210

Heartbreaking. calimary Apr 24 #227

I wish you'd post this as an OP iemanja Apr 24 #247

The end game for Israel & the Palestinians in not pretty. No one, Arab or West, is looking to send $$$ to rebuild Gaza dutch777 Apr 23 #4

"Blinken has commitment from 5 Arab leaders to help rebuild post-war Gaza speak easy Apr 23 #5

I suspect the west is very much looking... Think. Again. Apr 23 #8

Ding ding malaise Apr 23 #147

Who in their right mind would develop "beachfront property" in GAZA? oldsoftie Apr 23 #190

um, yeah.... Think. Again. Apr 23 #194

Jared's a proven idiot. Go ahead. No one in their right mind would vacation there oldsoftie Apr 24 #236

Not rebuild? Oh yes they will. They can't wait to build condos for more Israelis. flying_wahini Apr 23 #17

just ask jared- nt et tu Apr 23 #37

Oh capitalism loves a disaster Voltaire2 Apr 23 #47

War sucks. Don't start them, Hamas. Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #6

Yup... agingdem Apr 23 #23

Netanyahu kept Hamas in power because of their shared goals. Autumn Apr 23 #39

Netanyahu MUST go. But this still falls on Hamas. oldsoftie Apr 23 #161

Amen means I agree. Here's a huge AMEN. n/t aggiesal Apr 23 #40

You just stated you believe in collective punishment obamanut2012 Apr 23 #71

I believe retaliation in an unprovoked war agingdem Apr 23 #73

Unprovoked is a hoot. Butterflylady Apr 23 #106

that stance would perhaps end with you up on trial for war crimes if you were the supreme commander of a nation Celerity Apr 23 #204

so Ukraine is in a war they did not provoke... agingdem Apr 23 #208

If Ukraine is committing war crimes then there should be accountability. Same for Russia, Hamas, and Israel, and any Celerity Apr 23 #213

Finally reality-who started this war with permission for Hammas to start this war-Palestinians Stargazer99 Apr 23 #78

Yes, war sucks Butterflylady Apr 23 #104

Israel has been under attack for 75 years.. agingdem Apr 23 #107

As have the Palestinians. If you look at total death tolls for the two sides since 1948, you will find it staggeringly Celerity Apr 23 #216

Don't start a war if you're not willing to pay the price... agingdem Apr 23 #217

as if the Palestinians started the Nakbah, for instance Celerity Apr 24 #230

THIS malaise Apr 24 #240

Fighting address security concerns Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #122

I will give a damn once the hostages are relased The Mouth Apr 23 #109

Fuck Hamas indeed, but what about Palestinian civilians in the meantime? Orrex Apr 23 #137

Palestinians are not all innocent victims... agingdem Apr 23 #144

Nope, that's not true... Think. Again. Apr 23 #152

and yet 70% of the Palestinians supported the agingdem Apr 23 #156

I'd be interested to see how exactly that poll was conducted Orrex Apr 23 #164

The Palestinian Center for Policy Survey and Research conducted it oldsoftie Apr 23 #165

Thank you for the link Orrex Apr 23 #168

Yes, I've heard that exact propaganda here many, many times Orrex Apr 23 #166

How does a hostage take NOT have the ability to release them? oldsoftie Apr 23 #163

Seriously? Orrex Apr 23 #167

in each of those examples they still have the ability to release their hostages oldsoftie Apr 23 #191

Do you honestly believe that Netanyahu would settle for a partial release? Orrex Apr 23 #201

I suspect the hostages are dead... agingdem Apr 23 #215

Because they're a murderous, unrepentant terrorist regime Orrex Apr 23 #220

Netanyahu must go. But he's agreed to partial releases before too. oldsoftie Apr 24 #237

Thank you DaBronx Apr 23 #159

Except claudette Apr 23 #42

IDF fights Hamas on its territory Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #118

ok claudette Apr 23 #123

Wanton destruction of civilian culture and infrastructure far past meaningful defense is not war. nt PufPuf23 Apr 23 #138

See my orignal post Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #149

Look where the tunnel systems are located. Thats where you have to destroy everything. oldsoftie Apr 23 #162

war crimes ought to be punished. Voltaire2 Apr 23 #48

Starting with rape and kidnapping? Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #119

Starting with them? Absolutely. Orrex Apr 23 #139

Yes, indeed Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #150

... and mass starving and using food as a weapon. We expect terrorists to act like terrorists uponit7771 Apr 23 #178

Yep. They fucked around and found out. beaglelover Apr 23 #87

This did NOT start on October 7, 2023. PhylliPretzel Apr 23 #95

Nakba: Arab nations attack nascent Israel in order to commit ethnic cleansing Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #120

THIS malaise Apr 23 #148

So does occupation and oppression uponit7771 Apr 23 #97

When were 1000+ killed every month before 10/7? Bad Thoughts Apr 23 #121

This was always going to be a bloodbath. Ray Bruns Apr 23 #101

I am heartbroken. BlueMTexpat Apr 23 #7

Jew hate isn't protest Sympthsical Apr 23 #9

I will say that some people view Hamas as freedom fighters, as crazy as that may sound. nt LexVegas Apr 23 #10

One thing that always sticks out to me Sympthsical Apr 23 #14

Yes. betsuni Apr 23 #88

Not just fine with it, they wear their keffiyeh they bought on Amazon and pretend to be one of them. SunSeeker Apr 23 #102

I've read that many Gazans view Hamas as the only thing that stands between them and Israeli attacks. Earth-shine Apr 23 #21

Who is it claudette Apr 23 #34

Who started this war? I don't remember the Jews starting the slaughtering in fact just the opposite Stargazer99 Apr 23 #81

Hamas had to know how Netanyahu would respond. Martin Eden Apr 23 #22

Hamas leaders readily admit all of this lapfog_1 Apr 23 #218

If enough Palestinian people realize this, that could be the surest demise of Hamas. Martin Eden Apr 23 #223

When i saw that post i was dumbfounded. revmclaren Apr 23 #205

Is supporting the Palestinian people "Jew hate?" Chainfire Apr 23 #29

You know very well of what I speak Sympthsical Apr 23 #30

They are pissed. Do you not understand why? Chainfire Apr 23 #143

I assure you DaBronx Apr 23 #187

So no one is permitted to support Palestinians AloeVera Apr 23 #193

The narrative has shifted Orrex Apr 23 #202

It has and it does, indeed AloeVera Apr 23 #211

I don't hate Jews claudette Apr 23 #38

Are you pretending that antisemitism hasn't become a problem at these protests? Sympthsical Apr 23 #57

I'm not pretending claudette Apr 23 #59

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #65

THIS malaise Apr 23 #133

Are you pretending that anti-Palestinian views haven't moniss Apr 23 #91

You mean claudette Apr 23 #61

I am sure the Jews remember the slaughter in World War II-where were you? Stargazer99 Apr 23 #80

I'll tell you where my parents were...Auschwitz! agingdem Apr 23 #89

Yes...my "favorite"... agingdem Apr 23 #86

Yes these protesters Spread their Sickening Anti-Semitic Ugly Ass Hate All Over the Place. Cha Apr 24 #226

Good thing we just authorized more military aid hueymahl Apr 23 #11

Netanyahu knew. The IDF knew LuvLoogie Apr 23 #13

Perhaps in the same way we knew, "Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US" elias7 Apr 23 #41

Except that Israel was in possession of a Hamas document that detailed what they were planning. LuvLoogie Apr 24 #242

Thank you, Malaise. The end doesn't justify the means. TheRickles Apr 23 #15

The historicity of Exodus is highly questionable VMA131Marine Apr 23 #79

Yes, I know and agree. I was referring more to the mythic and emotional resonance that has taken hold, TheRickles Apr 23 #85

Just LOOK what Hamas has done to the Palestinian people! Shame on them! Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #16

Except claudette Apr 23 #33

Hamas is putting them in harm's way. Hamas is a legitimate target * Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #64

Finally the voice of reason instead of emotional response only Stargazer99 Apr 23 #82

Hamas REGULARLY bombs innocents. Hieronymus Phact Apr 23 #90

There are many who believe the Hamas propaganda (and who also repeat it in various political forums.) Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #126

Hamas isn't starving people The Chef said Bibi is and Chef has more credibility uponit7771 Apr 23 #98

Yes, they are. Through their cowardly efforts of blending-in with civilians * Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #125

The Chef is more credible than the IDF and Bibi uponit7771 Apr 23 #177

Sure. Go with that. Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #180

Facts and reality have benefits uponit7771 Apr 23 #181

Keep searching... Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #182

Hamas is Starving Palestinas.. I just posted this.. Fatah Confirms it.. Cha Apr 24 #229

YES HAMAS IS Starving Palestinians.. Hamas is NOT Clean.. They're Fucking Terrorists. Cha Apr 24 #228

Peace is not a goal. twodogsbarking Apr 23 #18

Certainly it isn;t for Hamas. Never was. NT Happy Hoosier Apr 23 #24

And this is why Hamas must be destroyed. They have no interest in peace. Oopsie Daisy Apr 23 #28

The IDF is actively working to destroy all of Gaza, not Hamas iemanja Apr 24 #246

not for bibi- et tu Apr 23 #43

Not even at DU. twodogsbarking Apr 23 #51

Peace would involve a two state solution. Something that Netanyahu and Hamas will never allow. Autumn Apr 23 #53

Is this now allowed to be said here? LiberalArkie Apr 23 #19

Why wouldn't it be? claudette Apr 23 #32

When was it ever disallowed? TwilightZone Apr 23 #60

Despite the allegations on this thread, I've whathehell Apr 23 #108

I sure haven't said any thing like that LiberalArkie Apr 23 #124

Go back through my replies/posts. revmclaren Apr 23 #206

How about you providing it whathehell Apr 23 #219

You could try ...hamas freedom fighters democraticunderground.com revmclaren Apr 23 #221

Lol...You got nothing. whathehell Apr 23 #222

Well, another words you didn't look. revmclaren Apr 23 #224

Well, "another" words, lol, I didn't need to.. whathehell Apr 24 #231

If justice prevails, history will not be kind. nt TeamProg Apr 23 #27

I'm with you claudette Apr 23 #31

The protesters I see are for Hamas. former9thward Apr 23 #46

"Protesters are not FOR Hamas" I must inform you, your belief is incorrect. sarisataka Apr 23 #52

No claudette Apr 23 #58

In order to see, one must choose to look sarisataka Apr 23 #63

Opinions are not facts. TwilightZone Apr 23 #69

We definitely need to react sarisataka Apr 23 #36

Please do not omit mention of Codifer Apr 23 #45

Absolutely - Putin has been playing chess and I'm sure is behind Hamas funding TBF Apr 23 #67

What happens when Hamas callously decides to sacrifice their own people JCMach1 Apr 23 #49

Gaza picked a fight Mountainguy Apr 23 #50

Gaza didn't pick a fight -- wtf obamanut2012 Apr 23 #68

So gaza exists ina vaccum from Hamas? Mountainguy Apr 23 #129

Nope, not true... Think. Again. Apr 23 #154

This is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 23 #99

Its not Mountainguy Apr 23 #132

Same goes for KKK and Americans? Dehumanizing people with broad negative generalizations isn't progressive uponit7771 Apr 23 #175

Guess i missed the part where the KKK was in control of government for a few decades Mountainguy Apr 23 #183

Woodrow Wilson?!?!?!!?! uponit7771 Apr 26 #253

It is day 200 - any sympathy for hostages being held? That's a rhetorical question. TBF Apr 23 #54

Is IDF still shooting them as they surrender? uponit7771 Apr 23 #100

I have absolute sympathy for the hostages. moniss Apr 23 #145

Yes I referenced a 2-state solution for a reason - TBF Apr 23 #158

Their actions are delegitimizing Israel in the eyes of much of the world. hay rick Apr 23 #55

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #72

Be very careful. 3 words got a hide yesterday. onecaliberal Apr 23 #74

Me too enid602 Apr 23 #103

"[Hamas] had to have factored in from the start that Gaza City above them would be leveled by the Israelis. So be it. betsuni Apr 23 #76

Oh. Ok. BannonsLiver Apr 23 #77

I agree with you 100% Goddessartist Apr 23 #83

Stands out. Our youth is the worlds hope. Passages Apr 23 #92

Proud of all,the young people malaise Apr 23 #172

They are being killed at an alarming rate. onecaliberal Apr 23 #179

To quote loosely: Beware of slaying monsters, lest you become one. ananda Apr 23 #94

K&R spanone Apr 23 #96

Deuteronomy provides motivation for genocide. Compromise in a religious war is blasphemy, in Canaan or in Congress. Marcuse Apr 23 #112

So Hamas is 100% responsible Cthulu on call Apr 23 #115

I am 100% against ethnic cleansing, genocide and other war crimes. Initech Apr 23 #117

Post removed Post removed Apr 23 #128

Fair enough. BannonsLiver Apr 23 #131

This is utterly unforgivable. Israel has made itself into the world's pariah. Sky Jewels Apr 23 #153

While I don't disagree with your assessment..... AZ8theist Apr 23 #157

Yet, Hamas is still bombing Israel. I don't know where they are getting their rockets from. Six rockets on Apr 23 LeftInTX Apr 23 #155

Agreed Malaise. Evolve Dammit Apr 23 #170

Significant: Passages Apr 23 #171

This is huge malaise Apr 23 #173

Yes. Passages Apr 23 #174

I'm done with threads like this. Aussie105 Apr 23 #176

Horrible Catherine Vincent Apr 23 #186

Immoral and soulless. onecaliberal Apr 24 #233

Yes, radical religious fundamentalist Hamas terrorist are immoral and soulless. betsuni Apr 24 #234

Indeed they are, and wholly deserving of whatever befalls them Orrex Apr 24 #249

Yes, it does. This was the Hamas war plan. betsuni Apr 24 #250

Is Netanyahu aware that he's working toward Hamas' goals, then? Orrex Apr 24 #251

I think rather than "burnt to the ground" adjectives like "demolished," "pulverized," and "annihalated" more accurately Martin68 Apr 23 #197

Israelis bdamomma Apr 23 #209

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 24 #235

Speaker Johnson's departure from Columbia University. Passages Apr 24 #245