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BainsBane

(53,137 posts)
139. Is it 1992 or 2014?
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 03:20 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Wed Feb 5, 2014, 04:03 PM - Edit history (1)

We now have a victim's clear statement. The determination to ignore that is clear. Research my ass.

The pattern of disbelieving victims is indeed part of rape culture. It is how it is constructed in case after case of sexual assault. Victims are disbelieved, prosecutors fail to follow through, and people take a statement from Woody Allen's publicist and present it as though it were fact. It is not. You want to pretend it's all about men vs women. It is not, at least not for me. Perhaps it is for you. The only reason gender plays a role is that most victims are women and most perpetrators male, and too many people assume women are lying, which is exactly what is happening here. My reaction would be identical if the accused perpetrator were female and the victim male. I will always believe a credible victim because I choose not to engage in the far too common pattern of disbelieving victims that is central to rape culture. Your appeals to "research" are bogus. You have ignored the key evidence: Dylan's recent statement.

I find is astounding how accused sexual predators are held in higher esteem by many than any other member of society. No politician is given that level of consideration, no other accused criminal, yet for some reason if a person is accused of sexual assault he is elevated in stature. I find it a disturbing trend.

The only people freaking out are DURHAM D Feb 2014 #1
Actually, there IS a video WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #7
the author of the article implies that, not the investigators. they said "could be anything" which bettyellen Feb 2014 #24
Apparently you don't agree with the investigators WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #35
The prosecutor said he had probable cause but the 7 year old victim was too fragile. n/t pnwmom Feb 2014 #45
Utter nonsense...and the DA was disciplined for saying such rot.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #74
Investigators said no evidence. Prosecutor was disciplined for that statement. cui bono Feb 2014 #88
The family court judge said the report was "inconclusive" and "not reliable." pnwmom Feb 2014 #141
Pedophiles leave a trail of victims. Which don't exist here. But another celebrity punching bag KittyWampus Feb 2014 #31
I would also add: Bonobo Feb 2014 #36
"Did this event actually occur? If we’re inclined to give it a second thought, we can each believe.. bettyellen Feb 2014 #2
Agree with last paragraph. DURHAM D Feb 2014 #4
I cannot believe how many people shared links to this hatchet job- and pretend it is some bettyellen Feb 2014 #12
But let's ignore the fact that a team of investigators WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #5
never saw they suggested it was coached- and that she had no vagnal tearing doesn't mean anything. bettyellen Feb 2014 #10
I have no idea where you're getting your information WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #11
the kid could be deeply disturbed or it could be coached. So, the author left out half the quote.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #15
You say "I think" a lot. WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #18
the prosecuters final word was that there was "probable cause". I said think once, you three times. bettyellen Feb 2014 #23
And that prosecutor was reprimanded for those remarks WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #25
actually- you are the one who assumes they know the truth. I repeatedly said we do not. bettyellen Feb 2014 #28
I'm basing my opinion on the facts available and WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #30
you know "innocent until guilty" is for courts, right? I totally believe in that- in courts, LOL. bettyellen Feb 2014 #33
It's fun to watch someone look at the facts WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #34
Only courts do that. People merely have benign opinions, premises and conclusions. LanternWaste Feb 2014 #100
Dylan's account had "a rehearsed quality" WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #27
And their conclusion? Could have happened, could not have happened. bettyellen Feb 2014 #29
that is NOT their conclusion at all WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #32
"We did not come to a firm conclusion. We think that it was probably a combination." Now that is a bettyellen Feb 2014 #37
Oh, for god's sake WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #38
You are a liar. CSStrowbridge Feb 2014 #50
tell that to the LIAR who claimed they said she WAS coached....there were conflicting opinions all bettyellen Feb 2014 #52
For someone who doesn't know what happened you sure cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #54
because I said this article is a biased piece of shit? And I don't know what happened? bettyellen Feb 2014 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2014 #132
Wow... that's sooooo dishonest cthulu2016 Feb 2014 #51
no, they thought she could have been a severely disturbed kid. which is problematic. bettyellen Feb 2014 #53
The article was based largely on facts that are public record WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #95
we only have opinions, period. and that article left out so much that it's bias would sway anyone... bettyellen Feb 2014 #96
The woman who wrote the Vanity Fair article is a friend of Farrow's. She is also biased. El_Johns Feb 2014 #119
THEY were the ones who rehearsed her pnwmom Feb 2014 #143
Such a tactic could just as easily be harmful WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #145
This point was made by an expert in child sex abuse. Literally the woman who wrote the textbook. pnwmom Feb 2014 #147
Have you actually read the testimony by the doctor WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #148
It's not up to anyone other than the DA to prosecute jberryhill Feb 2014 #17
very weird that he'd say that thing about "probable cause" but decided to "spare her the trauma". bettyellen Feb 2014 #22
There was no physical evidence she was molested. The rest is you mangling the transcript. El_Johns Feb 2014 #39
physical evidence is often NOT there, so..... bettyellen Feb 2014 #42
The "more balanced" VF article was written by a friend of Farrow's, as was the 1992 article it El_Johns Feb 2014 #118
fuck Woody Allen CatWoman Feb 2014 #3
ditto Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #109
Very good article. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #6
Just so you know, that article spurred Dylan's letter. joshcryer Feb 2014 #44
It's interesting to me that the licensed family therapist in the family believes Allen. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #81
Thanks for that link..... I'd heard a lot about this but hard facts are tough to come by groundloop Feb 2014 #8
Mia Farrow's Daughter Opens Up About Alleged Abuse By Woody Allen Tx4obama Feb 2014 #9
This thread is in response to that post. nt. WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #14
Dylan Farrow's letter was a response to that article. joshcryer Feb 2014 #43
Given space by another friend of Farrow's, Nicholas Kristof. Just in time for the Oscars. El_Johns Feb 2014 #120
I wouldn't be surprised if defacto7 Feb 2014 #13
Amanda Knox, Woody Allen... please, make it stop. hunter Feb 2014 #16
Then why did you feel compelled to say something? WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #19
For WillyT... hunter Feb 2014 #20
Some people are able to learn from the experience of others siligut Feb 2014 #21
respectfully, defacto7 Feb 2014 #48
no, the Chris Christie threads are entertaining. This, not at all- unless you're speaking bettyellen Feb 2014 #63
It's never entertaining defacto7 Feb 2014 #64
you seem confused that people come here for wisdom, LOL. point me towards it, LOL bettyellen Feb 2014 #65
This small line in the thread comes from post #16 defacto7 Feb 2014 #67
I saw, but look at GD... seriously. Not a lot more wisdom out there either, just current events and bettyellen Feb 2014 #68
I so agree... defacto7 Feb 2014 #69
Respect would imply that you had actually read and processed my post siligut Feb 2014 #77
It's more than media gossip, it's an orchestrated campaign, IMO. El_Johns Feb 2014 #121
Thanks for the link to this article NBachers Feb 2014 #26
Thanks for this thread, and other important facts from the article - quinnox Feb 2014 #40
+ 1 red dog 1 Feb 2014 #57
Quinnox, on No. 6 you got something wrong. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #66
Fine, but that isn't my list quinnox Feb 2014 #70
OK, then the author was wrong about time requirements for common-law. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #86
NY doesn't have common-law marriage. tammywammy Feb 2014 #106
Texas isn't the state at issue here B2G Feb 2014 #105
It was right, but they threw in irrelevant discussion of common law marriage. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #112
I think the whole Farrow-Allen clan are a bit off-kilter. El_Johns Feb 2014 #41
gosh. it looks like I stepped into a time warp. is this a news report from the 90's?? 2banon Feb 2014 #46
That's one point of view, by a member of the Woody fan club. pnwmom Feb 2014 #47
And the Vanity Fair article written by a friend of Farrow's is another, from the Farrow fan club. El_Johns Feb 2014 #122
Yeah, the guy marries his daughter and we're going to debate whether he's a creep or not me b zola Feb 2014 #49
Definitely was not his daughter. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #55
But he didn't. defacto7 Feb 2014 #56
because he conspired to betray his LT partner with her own teen daughter. it's a good enough reason bettyellen Feb 2014 #60
Yeah... it seems questionable defacto7 Feb 2014 #62
It's Mia's fault for encouraging them to hang out! I mean, of course he'd want nude pics eventually. bettyellen Feb 2014 #61
+1 Coexist Feb 2014 #113
AND he made a movie -- Manhattan -- about his "affair" with a high school girl. Arugula Latte Feb 2014 #103
She wasn't his daughter. closeupready Feb 2014 #108
Thanks, WeekendWarrior, for posting this. red dog 1 Feb 2014 #59
I don't mean to go off topic but I'm curious OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #71
you're not alone Voice for Peace Feb 2014 #72
He mostly just looks like mia to me Doctor_J Feb 2014 #83
He looks like Mia as well OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #85
Yep OwnedByCats Feb 2014 #84
The young man has Frank's mouth. Not to mention the eyes. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2014 #91
Moses Farrow is also a family therapist, licensed and practicing in CT. So I have a feeling that msanthrope Feb 2014 #73
The entire world has had reason to distrust Mia Farrow for many decades. Artists warned us. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #75
You denounce the Catholic priests BainsBane Feb 2014 #89
Offering my opinion about Mia and Andre, not about Allen. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #125
I suggest you think about the implications of what you are doing BainsBane Feb 2014 #126
So you are not aware that the priests have lots of female victims? How can you not know this? Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #129
I did not make an attack BainsBane Feb 2014 #130
yeah, you did. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #134
Well, I was about to apologize BainsBane Feb 2014 #138
How creepy that Dory Previn had a song called "My Daddy in the Attic"! Bonobo Feb 2014 #92
How many marriages did Andre Previn have- five or six? All Mia's fault, obviously.... bettyellen Feb 2014 #116
Andre and Mia are the parents of 6 children. They claim to be adults, both of them. Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #127
I keep reading here SHE broke his marriage. A married person is responsible for their own shit. bettyellen Feb 2014 #128
I don't know what you 'keep reading here' but it was not me you were reading so don't barf it Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #131
It was primarily an attack on Mia. And the warning about young girls, LOL.. It seems everyone Mia bettyellen Feb 2014 #137
It seems to me that Weekend Warrior is the one freaked out about... Walk away Feb 2014 #76
Yes, here and on the other thread - the denial is very telling. Sheldon Cooper Feb 2014 #78
Very Creepy! nt Walk away Feb 2014 #79
Disagreeing with you and Mia Farrow is not denial Bluenorthwest Feb 2014 #80
You obviously have something to hide! TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #135
shame on you for such a slimy response TheSarcastinator Feb 2014 #136
And again, let's all remember: all this outcry and villification are happening simply because a Squinch Feb 2014 #82
There are people freaking out about Woody Allen? treestar Feb 2014 #87
God forbid anyone believe a woman about her own sexual abuse BainsBane Feb 2014 #90
God forbid anyone do any research on the subject before they spout WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #94
Is it 1992 or 2014? BainsBane Feb 2014 #139
We have the brother Moses's clear statement as well WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #140
^^this^^ Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #110
Woody Allen does not need to be a pederast Jenoch Feb 2014 #93
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #97
Ronan would be their own biological son tammywammy Feb 2014 #98
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2014 #101
It might not have been a lie. tammywammy Feb 2014 #102
wow. I just read that whole and truly vile piece of dog shit cali Feb 2014 #99
I'm torn. no_hypocrisy Feb 2014 #104
As another poster so simply put it, Fuck Woody Allen! Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #107
By the way, Woody Allen has now responded to this, and said these accusations are untrue and quinnox Feb 2014 #111
If Woody Allen was a vocal right winger the call for his nutz would be unanimous here Puzzledtraveller Feb 2014 #114
Yeah, because this is a site for us to bash rightwingers LostOne4Ever Feb 2014 #117
I only had time to read about half the article davidpdx Feb 2014 #115
People Magazine article (2/05): Moses' comments and Dylan's response to Moses. PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #123
I guess the soap opera is going on for a while. El_Johns Feb 2014 #124
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2014 #133
Those freaking out about Dylan pnwmom Feb 2014 #142
Allen wasn't there all day WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #144
There are 11 other siblings who support Dylan in this. Why is Moses the only one who matters? pnwmom Feb 2014 #146
I wouldn't know about the other kids except Ronan and Soon-Yi WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #149
You haven't read either of the long Vanity Fair articles, which included interviews pnwmom Feb 2014 #150
The Vanity Fair Article is a Puff Piece WeekendWarrior Feb 2014 #151
The Robert Weide article of January 27th on Woody Allen by the guy who did the pnwmom Feb 2014 #152
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