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myrna minx

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184. I always love your posts, bravenak. You cut right to the heart of the matter.
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 09:30 AM
Jun 2015

Last edited Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:42 AM - Edit history (1)

I'm going to cut and paste a post from another thread. It just a thought that gets to why the left is so frustrated with the economic wisdom of Washington - whether it be from the likes of Paul Ryan or Claire McCaskill.

Rank and file Democrats expect Democrats to work within the economic framing of tried and true
Keynesian economic theory and not work within the framework of the proven disastrous framework of RW Milton Friedman and Leo Strauss. Unfortunately, many Dems as well as the President work within that frame which provokes both confusion and frustration on the left.

The radical right wing economic philosophy that has guided and governed the USA for 40 years is so entrenched that many believe it's the only philosophical perspective. The lore of this disaster capitalism is that it's age old common wisdom. Ayn Rand is required reading in Community College economic classes. This dangerous economic policy is taken for granted as the only way.

In an age of mind bending wealth for the upper 1%, but crushing financial hardship for the 99%, the "Very Serious People", are discussing severe austerity measures and cutting Social Security and Medicare and/or raising the the eligibility age. WIC and SNAP programs are slashed in the name of austerity and shared sacrifices. It's "very serious people" bargaining with our lives to take life saving money away from the elderly and the poor and the ill to give back to the ultra rich.

One cannot strengthen and augment life saving programs like Social Security and live within the austerity of Friedman. The two philosophies do not reconcile at all. If you work within their economic framing, then you are ceding that their worldview is correct, it's just a matter of degrees. Those who protest these horrible ideas are branded as "radical leftists".

Washington's self important economic common wisdom is unsustainable for the common American.

The rise of the Occupy Wall Street, the Fight for $15! in conjunction with Black Lives Matter, as well as Rolling Jubilee all give voice to the needs of the people. Whether by design or happenstance, these movements demonstrate the Theory of the Rhizome put forth by Gilles Deleuze and Felix Guattari, two leftist thinkers that most in the mainstream don't even discuss. For the past 40 years, leftist thinkers have been elbowed out of the way to make room for free trade and trickle down economics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhizome_(philosophy)

I don't know why the wiki link isn't working so I'll add the original text here:

http://danm.ucsc.edu/~dustin/library/deleuzeguattarirhizome.pdf


These movements, that are routinely mocked and tittered about have changed the discussion in this country. We are now discussing Wall Street corruption. We are now talking about living wages paid to hard working people. We are now discussing crazy drug policies that criminalize whole communities. We are now discussing police violence against people of color. We are now discussing the corrupt bail system, and the coercive and punitive nature municipal ticketing of people of color. We are now discussing the privatized neo-debtor's prisons. We are now discussing canceling crippling student loan debt and free tuition.

Change is happening and the "very serious people" better take notice.

I'm so grateful for the introduction of Thomas Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century into the economic bloodstream. We now have more to discuss in Community College economic classes other than the Atlas Shrugged "textbook".

I thank Thomas Frank for this essay, because I think it gets to the root of why the left is so frustrated with the economic policies of the center right of the Democratic Party. It also clarifies Claire McCaskill's attacks on Bernie Sanders as being "too liberal" and a radical.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could ask our Presidential candidates who are their governing economic and political philosophers? I know that would help me decide who to vote for.

I love how Bernie always ends with azmom Jun 2015 #1
Yes. He doesn't talk down to people either. cui bono Jun 2015 #15
No he doesn't. azmom Jun 2015 #18
Trying to turn him into the old man that yells 'get off my lawn' but he's not that guy. cui bono Jun 2015 #26
I asked my 20 year old if it was a turn off azmom Jun 2015 #28
Yeah, no matter what his age, he is a breath of fresh air! cui bono Jun 2015 #30
My twin granddaughters are Duval Jun 2015 #144
That's great to hear. azmom Jun 2015 #156
D*mn right feel the Bern a kennedy Jun 2015 #52
Can the vomit smiley be altered so it resembles one of Kalisi's fire-breathing dragons? Volaris Jun 2015 #65
feel the bern is a porn reference. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #127
Prove it. Bernie 2016 Jun 2015 #131
Nice comment. pangaia Jun 2015 #132
Really? d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #136
DUZY! bvar22 Jun 2015 #158
nasty and vulgar is a DUZY now? stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #195
F'n genius... smiley Jun 2015 #165
BWAHAHAHA cui bono Jun 2015 #166
Lol!!!!!! neverforget Jun 2015 #170
Well played. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #173
Bern. pa28 Jun 2015 #178
i hope bernie stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #194
Bernie is much classier than you and I d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #196
feel the burn is a term associated with working out frylock Jun 2015 #139
Yes it is. Maybe Rule 34 applies and porn borrowed the term Babel_17 Jun 2015 #159
Very likely frylock Jun 2015 #164
Why would you make an irrelevant assertion, Senator McCaskill? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #152
Then so is "Ready for Hillary" demwing Jun 2015 #163
I thought it was an 80s workout video reference. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #172
I believe that most dems love both our prime candidates. juajen Jun 2015 #94
As a Bernie supporter, MoonchildCA Jun 2015 #105
He could yell at me to get off my own lawn.... mwooldri Jun 2015 #111
It is "Money changers get out of our temple!" not "Kids get off the lawn!" TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #180
That's what people love about him, lol. He's ANGRY and so are WE, and he and we have a RIGHT sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #120
That's why he has crossover appeal that no other candidate has. cui bono Jun 2015 #185
Feel The Bern sellitman Jun 2015 #123
She made my decision for me. bravenak Jun 2015 #2
Agreed. madfloridian Jun 2015 #3
Made me angry!!nt bravenak Jun 2015 #4
She sounded like a Republican AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #119
Yep. mmonk Jun 2015 #134
A lot of "3rd Way" types do. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #141
To assimilate our party and remake it into the Republicans without the Southern Strategy crap TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #183
Shades of Joe McCarthy type shit, Gutierrez was playing it like that too. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #181
She connected 'entitlements' with the deficit AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #182
Exactly BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #9
That crap does not play very well with me. bravenak Jun 2015 #12
It really looks like they plan to do whatever BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #23
Stuff like this just reminds me why I cannot stand them. bravenak Jun 2015 #34
That is why choosing to run as Elizabeth Warren BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #48
I agree. bravenak Jun 2015 #50
Blindsided is right. She never saw Obama coming either until too late, then she went mean. Stardust Jun 2015 #109
I think Hillary has plenty of strengths BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #113
I totally agree. We need to respect both of them and juajen Jun 2015 #101
That's precisely how I feel. For the first time I feel a candidate is taking up my issues. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #35
Comparing him to Pat Buchannon. WTF? I felt like smaking that condescending sneer off the face. bravenak Jun 2015 #37
wasn't that a nice little dig? restorefreedom Jun 2015 #175
She was on a roll! bravenak Jun 2015 #176
Good.... daleanime Jun 2015 #43
Definately wasn't just you... bravenak Jun 2015 #47
I felt the same way.. raindaddy Jun 2015 #55
I think they think the heart of the Democratic party lies in DC. bravenak Jun 2015 #66
I will SERIOUSLY enjoy it if she has to endorse his ass later. Volaris Jun 2015 #74
Claire is an example of why the Democrat she is, lost the Senate and House in 2014. DhhD Jun 2015 #56
The DLC =Repub light....not democrats. nt haikugal Jun 2015 #63
"the left whose votes they think they own". Well put. I might borrow that in the future. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #61
I think that them thinking there is nowhere else to go is silly and dangerous. bravenak Jun 2015 #72
same here. Will NOT vote for another corporatist. kath Jun 2015 #107
Yes to all and especially on the blank spot. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #137
Write somebody in that spot. bvar22 Jun 2015 #190
Good idea. Of course. GoneFishin Jun 2015 #193
This is an authoritarian Democrat Mnpaul Jun 2015 #71
It's disgusting to treat people as if they are too stupid to be of consideration. bravenak Jun 2015 #77
Middle left positions are extreme to the far right wing of our party Mnpaul Jun 2015 #84
I get the feeling that all her surrogates are fed talking points that they mustn't veer from. Stardust Jun 2015 #112
Me too. I have been a little nervous as to if Sanders could win in the General but this type of shit Quixote1818 Jun 2015 #95
I've been on the fence too, but this just did me in. bravenak Jun 2015 #96
I didn't like it either. But, it wasn't Hill. juajen Jun 2015 #99
It wss her surrogate. Just like last time it was Geraldine Ferraro, not Hill. bravenak Jun 2015 #100
You could be right, or wrong. It's not like she has things to do. juajen Jun 2015 #103
Yes, indeed. onyourleft Jun 2015 #115
That's what I feel too. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #125
Exactly! ctsnowman Jun 2015 #128
I always love your posts, bravenak. You cut right to the heart of the matter. myrna minx Jun 2015 #184
I completely agree with you, Brave. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #191
Why does he care what some old white republican says? Just stay on message. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2015 #5
And the Third Way strikes again. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #6
And Bernie handled it like the champ that he is! n/t RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #7
Claire McCaskill is a Democrat? Thespian2 Jun 2015 #8
Well, if the shoe fits...nt kath Jun 2015 #14
"Democrat," yes. Liberal. Not a chance. He socialist jab might play with the rightwing Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #39
In Missouri she is, and the crazies out here STILL hate her. Volaris Jun 2015 #79
Please don't go right where the right wants you to go. juajen Jun 2015 #104
Bernie's tweet today BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #10
Love that tweet, thanks. madfloridian Jun 2015 #20
Sounds like he's channeling Mr. Spock! immoderate Jun 2015 #46
Of course Bloomberg still says: "said Sanders, a Vermont socialist" cui bono Jun 2015 #11
Does he know how to answer them or what? lol Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #13
I agree. madfloridian Jun 2015 #22
We'll all do our best...yep. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #31
She's an employee of a pro-Hillary Super-PAC who can spend money as they please arcane1 Jun 2015 #73
Yes, it will get much worse..but we have to expect it. He is not just going after the Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #76
Hence this urge to silence him NOW before he says too much to too many. arcane1 Jun 2015 #81
That is how I see him as a threat, talking about what we have now. Asking people, why does Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #87
Bernie won't win the show me state.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #16
I am from Missouri Robbins Jun 2015 #24
Bernie instigators BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #25
! cui bono Jun 2015 #27
I won't say where BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #32
McCaskill did not win reelection... Ino Jun 2015 #60
Wait, she's bragging about voting with the Republicans? Babel_17 Jun 2015 #174
She's awful. HappyMe Jun 2015 #17
Try making that comparison to Hillary and see what happens. zeemike Jun 2015 #19
Shameful she's part of government altogether. Phlem Jun 2015 #21
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #38
Huh? What makes you think that?! (nt) Ino Jun 2015 #62
Because Sen McCaskill beat him.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #67
Well, color me confused... Ino Jun 2015 #78
What does "Primarying" mean to you..... Historic NY Jun 2015 #80
Defeat an encumbent in the primary election... Ino Jun 2015 #83
EOM... Historic NY Jun 2015 #85
Didn't see any BOM HERVEPA Jun 2015 #126
Did I say that? Phlem Jun 2015 #70
Wow, I guess that's about as nasty as it gets n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #106
Her expression shows she knows it was wrong when called on t AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #29
No,...here's Claire.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #33
My goodness he's a socialist ! kacekwl Jun 2015 #36
Same script Congressman Gutierrez used a couple of weeks ago. pa28 Jun 2015 #91
Paid for by the "Ready For Hillary" Super-PAC n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #98
First, imthevicar Jun 2015 #40
It looks like Claire has been promised a position in a HRC administration Joe Turner Jun 2015 #41
Ia Sanders administration if I had a choice between her and Ron Paul... cascadiance Jun 2015 #92
Great, but dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #42
“You'll have to ask Senator McCaskill why.” Perfect! nt antigop Jun 2015 #44
His brief response was layered. He touted his record, morningfog Jun 2015 #86
She's a horrible embarrassment to me as a Missourian Gore1FL Jun 2015 #45
That is tragic - as is Limbaugh, Limbaugh's bust in Jeff City, and various Confederate Memorials... xocet Jun 2015 #93
Her claiming that he is against trade was so laughable. What a tool she is. Vattel Jun 2015 #49
Shows what I know, I didn't think they would start the attack stage until after July 4th. n/t A Simple Game Jun 2015 #51
Nicely done Bernie!! neverforget Jun 2015 #53
Before this event I did not like Claire McCaskill. At all. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #54
Newsflash, DINOs do not like real Dems. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #57
Just Another Fraud Democrat colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #58
even more shameful that she's acting like Sarah Palin Myrina Jun 2015 #59
.... madfloridian Jun 2015 #69
Pffft! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #153
Is McCaskill auditioning for a cabinet position in a (potential) Clinton Administration should... BlueEye Jun 2015 #64
That's just evil MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #68
If Hillary is such a shoo-in, then why does McCaskill feel the need now to fling dirt at Bernie? DrBulldog Jun 2015 #75
Oh well done Sen. Sanders! Nice counterpunch. morningfog Jun 2015 #82
She seems nice. pa28 Jun 2015 #88
I can only hope McCaskill keeps up her anti-Bernie rants 99th_Monkey Jun 2015 #89
Am I the only one that noticed the huge eyes...not glasses...but almost bug-eyed. I recall libdem4life Jun 2015 #90
Yes, I noticed the 'Republican' eyes. SamKnause Jun 2015 #110
Those are the ones. libdem4life Jun 2015 #130
I really have a problem with her saying Bernie is too liberal. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #97
+1. n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #102
I'm voting for Bernie. I have a lot of respect for Clinton and O'Malley. phleshdef Jun 2015 #108
After this performance, aspirant Jun 2015 #114
Do I believe, in opposition to Senator McCaskill, that we need trade policies.. frylock Jun 2015 #116
"All of a sudden oh Bernie Bernie Bernie" madfloridian Jun 2015 #117
Personally, I think this attitude of dismissiveness 4_TN_TITANS Jun 2015 #118
How completely and utterly classless on McCaskill's part! n/t markpkessinger Jun 2015 #121
A purpoted Democrat exclaims, "He wants to expzand entitlements!" markpkessinger Jun 2015 #122
She actually said "entitlement" frylock Jun 2015 #167
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #124
K&R deutsey Jun 2015 #129
K&R raouldukelives Jun 2015 #133
Kicking FloriTexan Jun 2015 #135
The leadership of the Democratic Party sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #138
I'm Wondering What Bernie Thinks LeFleur1 Jun 2015 #140
You asked..what makes Bernie's crowd different from Teaparty who want everything their way? madfloridian Jun 2015 #154
Bernie Sanders, always the fairest and classiest guy in the room. nt valerief Jun 2015 #142
Attacking Bernie from the right AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #143
She is such an asshole. blackspade Jun 2015 #145
She compares Bernie, because she's got nothin else to say... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #146
"Too liberal" is a meaningless phrase that can not be argued. Bringing it back to policy positions grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #147
Some refuse to believe that is a widening gap in the Democratic Party. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #148
Why is Bernie considered too liberal if he doesn't support TPP, or if he supports single payer midnight Jun 2015 #149
They don't really care what Bernie does or does not support. It is all about the smear. djean111 Jun 2015 #151
Bernie is a liberal socialist that is getting massive crowds. Sounds like massive crowds midnight Jun 2015 #155
Way to sound like.... ut oh Jun 2015 #150
She was nasty to compare him to Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul Autumn Jun 2015 #157
The "Ron Paul had large crowds too" talking point was run up the flagpole here ealier this week frylock Jun 2015 #168
I think that some people are getting nervous. Autumn Jun 2015 #171
Should Sanders note that her snark caused a bump in donations from rank and file Democratic voters? Babel_17 Jun 2015 #160
The Palin Effect frylock Jun 2015 #169
McCaskill, Feinstein, and Wasserman-Schultz should have been... bvar22 Jun 2015 #161
You go to war with the army you have, not the army you wish you had... n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #177
Didn't some failed and crazy General who got Millions killed for NOTHING say that ? bvar22 Jun 2015 #186
No, it was a crazy Secretary of Defense. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #188
THat's RIGHT..... Rummy. bvar22 Jun 2015 #192
It's simple - McCaskill attacked Bernie because Hillary can't demwing Jun 2015 #162
I never could stand McCaskill. I gave up on making political donations but i'll making an exception CentralMass Jun 2015 #179
"It’s a basic rule in politics that you don’t attack somebody if they are not doing well." antigop Jun 2015 #187
Agreed Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2015 #189
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